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Lapua brass: old? new? cardboard? blue?

I was figuring it's about time to get some 6BR brass (hoping my stock for new build will get here eventually) and was wondering about the current state of affairs, if you will regarding Lapua 6mmBR brass. I thought there was a change in dimension, then maybe one back again, all the while the boxes kept changing. So, I do the no-turn neck route, I think 0.272, and am wondering what the current brass is?

Eric
 
Eric,

IF i have this correctly....

The older "cardboard" brass was out of spec. on the HIGH side(thicker) in the necks.

This was corrected in the newer "blue box" brass.

You need to get some brass and load a dummy round so you can measure the neck and spec. a reamer appropriately.

Phil.
 
the walls on the new bluebx. type is 12.12.5 &the old cardboard bx type is 13 /13.5 about 2th or less difference they way my ball mics measures it i use old type in my no turn 272 nk. & the new in my 270no turn all lapau is good brass just old type is getting hard & pricey to get regards shooter63
 
Kiff made my Dasher reamer for the newer, blue plastic box brass
as a no-turn .2704" chamber.
 
Exercion said:
I was figuring it's about time to get some 6BR brass and was wondering about the current state of affairs, regarding Lapua 6mmBR brass. I do the no-turn neck route, I think 0.272, and am wondering what the current brass is? Eric

And therein lies the rub, with no-turn necks. Life is never always perfect and that can be said about brass neck thickness too, even Lapua.

Regardless of what the thickness is advertised as, ALWAYS measure the loaded round dimension [at the bullet's pressure ring if it has one] and compare it to your neck chamber dimension after every reloading.

At some point in time [as the brass flows forward] you might want to turn the neck [clean it up], near the neck/shoulder junction, in order to maintain your no-turn neck dimension from the neck/shoulder junction to the end of the neck.
 
dmoran said:
Dave -

To what disadvantages and/or "side effects" would you say there would be from running Blue-box brass in a .272 chamber?

Thanks,
Donovan Moran

Sorry i`m not Dave..... ;D

My guess would be that it would work the necks more and require annealing sooner.........just a guess. :o
 
According to the gunsmith building my rifle (Jim Borden), too close of a neck fit causes more flyers than people realize. He suggested a .272 with the new blue box brass. I'll be able to tell you more in a month or so once the rifle is done.
 
I believe I recall seeing a post somewhere suggesting the new, "Blue Box" 6BR Lapua brass had necks on the order of 0.001" thinner than the older product sold in the cardboard boxes.

Additionally I recall reading a post stating that the composition of brass was slightly different, with respect to the proportion of zinc to copper in the alloys. I'll try to locate that post....
 
Hey Guys,

Sorry for the delay here, but just got back from the SHOT show on Saturday evening.

To begin with, you can't tell anything by whether or not the brass comes in cardboard or blue plastic. The change came into effect at about the same time as the packaging change was made, but it wasn't keyed into being differentiated by box type one way or the other. Just a coincidence that it happened at the same time. As has already been stated, the new neck diameter is on the order of .0004" less than the old, bringing the neck thickness down by about thou, or a bit less in O.D.. Someone mentioned .0120"-.0125" per side, which is about right for the new stuff. Beyond that, I want to make clear that this was strictly a dimensional change; there was no change whatsoever to the case alloy or the percentages that went into the cartridge brass. I've seen the "analysis" posted somewhere on one of the forums, and the guy's flat out wrong. No change to the alloy, end of story.

As we've explained earlier, the neck diameter change was necessitated by the fact that some of our cases were running slightly over the dimension needed for our loaded ammo to pass a standard CIP neck gage. As a CIP member, producing ammo that will pass their gaging is mandatory, and not negotiable on our part. The same holds true for Norma, and any other CIP member. In other words, their brass is going to have very close to the same neck dimensions as ours, or they're heading for the same situation. Ours was running at the very high end of the spectrum, which meant that the occasional case would run slightly over spec, and fail the neck gaging. As a result, we tightened the specs to get the majority of the cases to run a bit closer to the middle of the allowable CIP neck thickness range.

Seems like I get a debate everytime I say this, but we didn't really change the dimensional specs in this case, we merely changed where we run the cases within the existing specs set by CIP. We handloaders were the ones to feel this most keenly, as it wasn't a problem for most of us to begin with. It gave a bit more material to play with for neck turning, and so long as we're measuring case necks and are aware of our chamber dimensions, life was good. This latest alteration allows those shooters restricted to factory ammo to buy the product, without our resorting to producing "handloader" cases and "loaded ammo" cases. That, I assure you, would be a goat-rope of epic proportions and would cause far more problems that the relatively minor adjustment we've made here.
 
KevinThomas said:
Seems like I get a debate everytime I say this....

You do tend to repeat yourself Kevin!

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php/topic,3774122.msg35999733.html#msg35999733

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php/topic,3765754.msg35993634.html#msg35993634

Good to have your input though, hopefully effective at dispelling all the rumor & conjecture.
 
Hey Steve,

Nice to know somebody's paying attention, anyway! Besides, you can keep me honest that way. If you catch me "repeating" myself with a different story each time, I'll know it's time to run for office. ;)
 
I run a .269 neck chamber in my rifles. The old Lapua I would turn just enough to do a complete cleanup, on the order of .012. To get the same with the new brass it only cleans up about 60-70% of the neck.
I have not seen any difference in the way it shoots, or how long it lasts.
Personally I think everybody is just worrying way to much over it.

Danny
 

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