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King of the Prairie Dog Cartridges!!!

Just got back from a short New Mexico prairie dog hunt. Please dont ask me where for I am sworn to secrecy. ;) I took along my Tubb 6X loaded with 70 grain Sierras, Two 22 BRs, one set up for 40 grain bullets and the other set up for 55 grain Hornadys and 69 grain SMK loads. Last I took 2 of my 223AIs. One 223AI was set up for the 40 grain NBT and the other 223AI is a 1/8 twist gun. I took along to try some 80 grain Federal Gold Medal Match to try on the dog towns out of the 1/8 223AI. The 80 grainers displayed great 1-200 yard accuracy (the farthest I shot them on paper) and I wanted to fireform a few more cases and see how the heavier bullets performed on the prairie winds. I am well aware the SMK bullet is not a game bullet. Lets not go there....

A word on the wind. I live on the Gulf Coast and its almost ALWAYS blowing pretty good here. So all this chatter about how bad the wind is and how much better one caliber is than the other in the wind means very little to me. It is what it is. Adjust. Adapt. All calibers are affected by the wind. Just shoot the rifle! ;D

I fired about 400 rounds in 2 days. Ranges from 150 yards to 650 or so. I am basing the 650 yard figure on my scope settings as LED display in my laser went away and I was forced to use the ole crooked eye technique to guestimate the ranges I shot. Im sure had the Laser been up and running I would have seen more first round hits but as I said above I just shoot the rifle and adjust as needed. Just my formula for success. Besides, one could always stay home and just watch TV. :o

Now to the meat of the matter, I firmly believe that for me the 223 AI has no peer in the prairie dog fields. I shoot the 40 grain NBT bullet @4000 and find it to deliver the explosive teminal performance I want to see. Even running the 40 grain NBT at 3800 fps while fireforming AI cases I am perfectly satisfied. I dont see that as long as your wind reading skills are up to snuff that the bigger 22's matter that much more. As to the 80 grain loads, yes, I like the way they fight the wind, but on this trip without my Laser I found that they required more "guess" shots than the 40s. They certainly hit hard, but I also saw several long range dogs crawling back to their holes for lack of terminal performance of the heavies. I hear the 75 AMax does better but I have not tried them. For now, my plan is to see how my 1/8 223AI handles the 40s or even the newer 53 grain Hornady.

I tried the 6X with the 70 grain Sierra to get an idea of how the standard 6BR would do for me. Clearly the 6X had a bit more blast than a 6BR would display and the 70 grain bullets at 3500 did in fact "golf" a few dogs well off their mounds but I remain unconvinced that it would do "better" for ME than the 223AI. Perhaps with the lighter than 70 grain bullets??? I dont have a 6BR so I just dont know. You are welcome to educate me.

The 22BRs did well, but again, did not outrun the 223AI by a significant margin. I am going to try 50 NBTs and see what I see. I might mention my 55 grain 22BR Vmax bullets were running 3600 and my 69 SMKs were running 3400. I was impressed with the 22BR running the 40 grain bullets tho! What a whacker it was. My current hope is to see if I can run the 50 grain NBTs or Sierra Blitzkings at 3800 out of my 22BRs.

The other thing I dont have is a 20 caliber. I read alot about it, just not sure again how much if any the various 20s will out run my 223AIs. Especially since with Data 2200 I can run them 40s at 4200 fps out of my Hart barreled rifle. Please tell me why I need a 20???

Last comment. My 223AIs are set up with CDI bottom metal and I use the AI 223 magazines. These are pretty handy when the town is hot and one can wipe out a dog down in short order. I have also adapted the AI 223 magazine to my 22BR guns so that they cycle nicely and hold 6 in the magazine.

We had a blast!!! Ok, before you fire away, let me get my sun screen on!!! :)
 
My .223 with 40 max is the one I shoot the most, our pdogs are very small. the 40's will whack em. I don't see the bigger bullets doing any better until the range is 400 or better. The wind affects all bullets, just adapt and overcome.
 
I could not agree more about the 223 and 40 NBT's being the perfect PD medicine, although mine is not an AI version. I consistently get more hits and "effect" than my friends shooting other calibers. A couple of my PD shooting pards are (were) die-hard 22/250 fans but after a few years of watching what the 40's do out of a 223 they have converted.

A couple of years ago we were PD shooting in extremely windy conditions they were using their 22/250's because of the wind but even then I was getting more hits then they were (yes, they are good shooters and using good equipment). We ended up setting targets at 200 and 300 yds. and comparing actual wind drifts of their 22/250's with 50 gr NBT's to my 223 using 40 gr NBT's and the difference was so small as to be negligible. What is not to like about the 223/40 NBT combo - more hits, less powder, and getting to see the hits.

Disclaimer 1 - I am not hi-jacking this thread to start a 223 vs. 22/250 spitting contest, rather I am just reporting my results of many years of shooting the 223 NBT combo. Sometimes what is shown on the ballistics charts does not transfer over to real world results. If your results varied from mine it is okay.

Disclaimer 2 - Yes, I did own a 204 Ruger for a couple of years and did not find that it would do anything the 223 and 40 gr NBT's would not do. There again you result may have varied from mine but it okay.

drover
 
Witchhunter and Drover, can you guys tell me your barrel twist and velocity? I cant be the ONLY guy on this forum with a chronograph!! 8)
 
The last time I went prairie dog hunting, I took a 6mm AI, a 17 HMR, a 6.5-284, 6.5x47 Lapua, and a .204 Ruger. The other guys had .220 Swifts, .22-250s, 6mm Rem, .243, 6.5-284, .17 Remington, etc.

I managed to kill more dogs than they did with my lowly .204 Ruger and .17 HMR. What I found was the 39 Blitzking with an accurate load at about 4,000 combined with a scope that tracks worked well for me. I shot about 85% with it and managed a one-shot kill at about 760 yards with it with quite a bit of wind. What I've noticed is with the 20 cal, I can spot my own shots for quick follow-ups and the barrel doesn't heat up as bad as the guys with .220 Swifts, and .22-250s. The .223 AI is very similar to the .204 Ruger so I'd imagine results are very similar, especially if you're well practiced and have a good load. Its the Indian, not the arrow...

I have since rid myself of the 6mmAI and the 6.5-284 because I didn't NEED it to kill dogs at the ranges I was shooting dogs at. I still do have a .260 Rem I use for competition shooting. I took the money from the rifles and scopes from the cartridges I decided I didn't need anymore and upgraded my competition rifle and scope, and also bought a silencer.
 
When my suppressor gets hot, it turns my 2000 dollar glass into a Walmart special from the heat waves coming off the thing!
 
I started out with a .22-250 and a 17 HMR for sage rats. Added a .223 to the mix and ended up selling the .22-250 as a result. Bought 2 more .223s. Was quite happy with them until this year I added a .20 VT. Was very disappointed I only had 100 rounds for my sage rat hunt this year. Fired 400 rounds with the .223 and the entire time was wishing I had another .20 VT and more rounds. Hard to describe but once you try one, you are hooked.
 
2dogs said:
Witchhunter and Drover, can you guys tell me your barrel twist and velocity? I cant be the ONLY guy on this forum with a chronograph!! 8)

2dogs,

I have three 223's, two of them are 1-12 twist and the other is a 1-14 twist. Over my chronograph the velocities run from 3700 to 3768 depending on which rifle it is and which powder I am using. All of my loads for the 40 gr bullet are from current loading manual, they are in the upper end of the load data but I am getting long case life and great accuracy from the loads.

drover
 
2Dogs, My .223 is a 12 twist and I am getting 3640 over my chrono. I have been using AA2200 in a Winchester case with a Federal 205m. 40 Vmax is deadly and you can see the hits, just like with a .17 Remington!
 
I have a good shooting 223 savage tac. but it just want out do my 22BR.THEY are hard to beat in the field
 
2 Dogs,
Were the pups out yet in New Mexico? I also hunt in that area and was wondering. We are set to go in about 3 weeks. Usually the pups are out in force then.
 
Why shoot a 20 cal at prairie dogs? Try a few rounds with a 20 VT or a 20 practical and while I really really like my 223 my 20 practical is more fun of the bench on pdogs...
 
I started shooting prairie dogs in 1949. Since then I have tried to find the ferfict ,best p dog shooting rifle and scope. So far I have shot them with 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 17 Hornet, 17 Fireball, 17 Rem, 204 Ruger, 22 LR, 22 WMR, 22 Hornet, 221 Fireball, 222 Rem, 223 Rem, 22-250 Rem, 220 Swift, 243 Win, and some big game cartridge rifles. I don't know that I have found it yet but if I could have only one rifle for shooting p dogs it would be a accurate bolt action varmint weight 204 Ruger rifle with a 6-18 Leupold AO scope. I have enjoyed shooting p dogs with each of my p dog rifles . I only have to drive a few miles to get to a p dog town to try out my new accurate CZ 17 Hornet rifle this spring on the p dog pups.-- I m an old timer now and its unlikely that I will be getting another rifle but somehow I ll get by with what I have.
 
Good Grief. An adding machine probably couldnt tally the number of dogs Tuck2 has killed!! 65 years worth???? Holy Smokes! Of all the comments I have read on the 20s, including some telephone conversations with some really knowledgeable members on the 20 caliber issue those comments by Tuck2 are about to push me over the edge. I may just order me a 204 Ruger in a Remington 700 just to see what I can do with the thing. I just hope the barrel is a good one! Thanks you Sir for sharing the benefit of your considerable experience!
 
Jwcrab, The pups were indeed out and this was the first trip I went on early enough to get a crack at them. Good thing they are dumb as those little guys are alot harder to hit way out there than the full grown ones! Several times I hit one and literally painted the adjacent one blood red. Sometimes they would stand there and try to shake off their neighbors body parts only to be blown to bits themselves. Sorry for the gore... :o
 
I'll add my two cents too then....

I've been shooting PD's and ground squirrels since I was 12 yrs old, and really got into it when returning to "the world" in 1968. That said, I've shot them with every caliber that tuck2 mentions, plus a few he didn't. I also have a Holland-built 223 Ackley and also shoot the 40's with good velocity and excellent accuracy.

That said, my "current favorite" rat caliber is hands down the 20VT. A guy with an accurate 204 and a 20VT needs no other rat rifles, as those two will do it all, and do it without all the blast and recoil associated with calibers that will smack a rat out there past 500 yards.

I now seldom shoot my 223AI in the rat patch these days, much preferring the 20VT most of the time. I'd much rather launch a rat out there at 400 yards using only 18.5grs of powder, compared to burning 28grs every time in my 223AI. Plus the fact that I can see virtually EVERY hit/miss through the scope with my 20VT, and shoot all I want without any barrel heat that destroys the throat and affects accuracy quickly. The .20 cal 40gr bullets also have a much better BC than the .224" offerings. Excellent choice in the 204R.

Really, anyone that has not tried a .20 cal in the rat patch has no idea of just how cool this caliber is for the task, especially when it's in the form of the 20VT. It just may be the panacea of Rat Calibers!

My Cooper 20VT doing what it's designed to do:



The round looks like a mini-308, and we all know how inheriently accurate that number is:



We have great choices, and after over 50 years of launching Skippy and his pals, I've come to the conclusion that the 20VT is the perfect combination of accuracy, speed, no recoil, lack of barrel heat, and just plain fun! :) And from what I can tell lately, I'm not alone.......
 

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