Kahles 10-50x56 MOAK ?
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From a fellow Aussie, I bought one for a new F class build but have yet to use it. Brought it out to the range and to my eyes, it is very good optically. I have a MarchX 10-60×56 High Master but haven't directly side by side compared the two.
I bought it on the strength of mechanical integrity. They seem rock solid in that respect. I ruled out a popular competition scope for that reason alone having witnessed a failure of a near new one.
I bought it on the strength of mechanical integrity. They seem rock solid in that respect. I ruled out a popular competition scope for that reason alone having witnessed a failure of a near new one.
Not sure if this helps you but....
Eyes differ of course but for me I feel my Kahles 10-50 is brighter than my NF Comp was. Personally I wouldn’t go back to the NF after shooting with my Kahles. I love the reticle too. I just wrote part of this for another post but there’s more to the scope than just clarity (which is often subjective anyway).
The Kahles 10-50 has 20moa per revolution with a great zero stop and indicator system. Full use of the entire zoom range with no falloff (many popular scopes in the $1200-$2500 range can’t do this). Did I mention I love the reticle. Top of scope parallax adjustment is cool too. I can’t remember the last time I had any chromic aberration....It’s also one of the only scopes out there that utilizes a four spring adjustment system so you never have spring-back or whatever people call it after an elevation adjustment. A lot of popular scopes move a little after the first shot following a turret change because they utilize a single leaf style spring on the elevation but the Kahles has this amazing four spring system that eliminates that. I’ve found a lot of people that sell them don’t even know that about that. I wouldn’t have known except I attended a Kahles sales meeting and it was discussed. Most of the Kahles scopes don’t utilize it but the 10-50 Moak does (I believe it was something they brought over from Swarovski).
I’ve never shot a March but I know guys who do and it’s a mixed bag just like any scope.
I’ve owned several GEs and a couple NF comps and they’re all great too. I just prefer my Kahles for a variety of reasons. YMMV and that’s cool too.
Eyes differ of course but for me I feel my Kahles 10-50 is brighter than my NF Comp was. Personally I wouldn’t go back to the NF after shooting with my Kahles. I love the reticle too. I just wrote part of this for another post but there’s more to the scope than just clarity (which is often subjective anyway).
The Kahles 10-50 has 20moa per revolution with a great zero stop and indicator system. Full use of the entire zoom range with no falloff (many popular scopes in the $1200-$2500 range can’t do this). Did I mention I love the reticle. Top of scope parallax adjustment is cool too. I can’t remember the last time I had any chromic aberration....It’s also one of the only scopes out there that utilizes a four spring adjustment system so you never have spring-back or whatever people call it after an elevation adjustment. A lot of popular scopes move a little after the first shot following a turret change because they utilize a single leaf style spring on the elevation but the Kahles has this amazing four spring system that eliminates that. I’ve found a lot of people that sell them don’t even know that about that. I wouldn’t have known except I attended a Kahles sales meeting and it was discussed. Most of the Kahles scopes don’t utilize it but the 10-50 Moak does (I believe it was something they brought over from Swarovski).
I’ve never shot a March but I know guys who do and it’s a mixed bag just like any scope.
I’ve owned several GEs and a couple NF comps and they’re all great too. I just prefer my Kahles for a variety of reasons. YMMV and that’s cool too.
I built a .300WSM for 1000 yard F-Open. Originally on that build was a NightForce 12-42BR. I have since changed out to the Kahles 10-50. To get the rifle sighted in with the new scope, I went to 100 yards. I was shooting a "thrown together load" with a bullet I did not formerly shoot out of it, a Berger 200 Hybrid. After I got it sighted in, I shot a 7 shot group. The group was such a small 1 hole group that it literally looked like about a 40 caliber hole! That is NOT to brag on the accuracy of the rifle, but to show that the scope did not move whatsoever! Then I shot some left over rounds from the match I shot with it. I shot 10 shots in about (I did not measure) a 70 caliber hole! Obviously, this scope stays where it is put! The glass, in my opinion, is on par with the March 10-60 High Master.
I have a kahles 1050 and a NF 12-42 BR. I love the Kahles but the NF BR is no slouch either
coford
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Like many F-Class shooters I have experimented with many scopes looking for the "Best One" for our game. I started out with NF 12-42 BR scopes on two of my guns. They are very good scopes. Rock solid with their adjustments, but optically I wanted something better and I wasn't crazy about the parallax adjustment being on the objective.
About then the NF Comps came out so I bought a couple of them. The glass was better, the parallax was on the side, but soon the problem started with the scope going crazy every time I made an adjustment. Sent one to NF and they claimed "we have NEVER had one with a problem" and "there is nothing out of spec. with your scope." The second one developed the same problem and I sent it in. When they came back both seemed fixed but they claimed that there was never a problem. I started looking for something better and a company that would stand behind their products.
About this time I bought a Vortex Golden Eagle. I really like this scope but optically it is not in the same league as the NF. The reticle is the best I have ever found for F-Class, the parallax is on the side, the eye relief is good, and mechanically it has been solid.
I sold the two NF comps, kept two NF BR's, and the Vortex. I wanted something better.
I then bought a March High Master 10-60. I liked the scope but it had it's own little quirks. The glass was clear but dark, the eye relief was critical and the reticle choices didn't have an offering as good as the Vortex. I shot it for a while but kept looking.
Around this time I heard about the Kahles 10-50. I purchased one to try. I really like the 20 moa per revolution, I really like the reticle (it is very similar to the Vortex), the glass is very good, it transmits lots of light, and the eye relief is better than the March. I liked it enough that I bought a second one.
I am very happy with the Kahles 10-50's I now have but am open to looking at something better if it comes along. So far this is the best scope I have found for F-Class shooting with my eyes and style of shooting. I still have the Vortex and two NF Benchrest scopes which I plan on keeping forever. Right now the Kahles scopes are my favorites.
About then the NF Comps came out so I bought a couple of them. The glass was better, the parallax was on the side, but soon the problem started with the scope going crazy every time I made an adjustment. Sent one to NF and they claimed "we have NEVER had one with a problem" and "there is nothing out of spec. with your scope." The second one developed the same problem and I sent it in. When they came back both seemed fixed but they claimed that there was never a problem. I started looking for something better and a company that would stand behind their products.
About this time I bought a Vortex Golden Eagle. I really like this scope but optically it is not in the same league as the NF. The reticle is the best I have ever found for F-Class, the parallax is on the side, the eye relief is good, and mechanically it has been solid.
I sold the two NF comps, kept two NF BR's, and the Vortex. I wanted something better.
I then bought a March High Master 10-60. I liked the scope but it had it's own little quirks. The glass was clear but dark, the eye relief was critical and the reticle choices didn't have an offering as good as the Vortex. I shot it for a while but kept looking.
Around this time I heard about the Kahles 10-50. I purchased one to try. I really like the 20 moa per revolution, I really like the reticle (it is very similar to the Vortex), the glass is very good, it transmits lots of light, and the eye relief is better than the March. I liked it enough that I bought a second one.
I am very happy with the Kahles 10-50's I now have but am open to looking at something better if it comes along. So far this is the best scope I have found for F-Class shooting with my eyes and style of shooting. I still have the Vortex and two NF Benchrest scopes which I plan on keeping forever. Right now the Kahles scopes are my favorites.
The second paragraph in your reply is right on the money! I had nearly the exact same situation! So far, I like the Kahles the best! I have had NightForce scopes, Leupold scopes, Sightron scopes, March scopes and now the Kahles. I have a lot to compare it with and it comes out on top!
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I didn't realize the Kahles K1050 had a zero stop. I don't see it listed on their website.
Yep. Super easy to set and then every revolution a little pin come up and alternates white and red per revolution so you can easily know how far up you’ve come. You can see in the picture how it’s going from red to white and each color change is a full revolution. But honestly with 20moa per revolution I personally never really use that feature but it’s still cool.
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Isn't a zero stop when you adjust the turret to be zero and you can not dial past it any lower so that you don't have to think, just dial down till it stops.
Yes and that’s what it has. Plus it has those elevation points I talked about. It’s got both.
So far I’m sold on every feature with this scope, my only concern is we start our matches early so for the first couple of targets my NF comp is milky, once sun comes up all good, I’ve read some posts from guys that own both that say the Kahles isn’t as clear as NF in low light and I think my NF Comp is average at best in low light...
Huh, it appears you are correct. That's neat. Looks to go about .5 MOA past 0 but that is fine, gives you room to dial down at 100 if environmentals change I guess.
According to Kahles “the zero stop is sited 3 or 4 clicks below the zero indicator. This feature facilitated the user finding the zero indicator quickly and intuitively even in poor light conditions and adapting the turret to special conditions such as for example very high temperatures or closer targets”.
I tested the Kahles 10x-50x MOAK and mechanically it is absolutely rock solid. I would rate the optics as being on par with other premium scopes. The 15-55X NF Competition is the only one I have tested that edged out the Kahles on resolution. Of course this is through my 75 year old eyes and I am hesitant to condemn any optics for not resolving bullet holes at 600 yards.
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Ledd Slinger
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I owned the Kahles 10-50 for a while. Mechanically solid as a rock as you well know. Optically, it had excellent sharp resolution and very nice wide field of view. It cuts through mirage like a hot knife through butter. Good in low light...however, when the sun goes behind clouds or light levels are lower, even though the scope is plenty bright, it loses a ton of contrast and gives this sort of artificial 'white-wash' look to everything and all the greens and browns blend together in this sort of blueish-gray hue. Still good sharp resolution, just horrible contrast in light levels less than 'bright and sunny'.
My intended use was for paper punching AND long range eastern Montana plains hunting. For a hunting optic, this lack of contrast is unacceptable to me. When all the colors appear to have very similar shades and hues, nothing stands out among them. This makes locating game at long range more difficult. But that's just my personal preference for the uses I had intended for the scope. If I was just using it for punching paper, the contrast issues in low light wouldnt matter a bit to me.
My intended use was for paper punching AND long range eastern Montana plains hunting. For a hunting optic, this lack of contrast is unacceptable to me. When all the colors appear to have very similar shades and hues, nothing stands out among them. This makes locating game at long range more difficult. But that's just my personal preference for the uses I had intended for the scope. If I was just using it for punching paper, the contrast issues in low light wouldnt matter a bit to me.
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