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JEEP Vehicles in Winter

I know they do quite well in the snow and clearly not going to change your mind, but there is a reason why you don’t see the true off road guys using Subaru vehicles….just give that some thought. I’m sure there are many Jeep drivers that live near you that would be glad to go toe to toe with you in the snow, sand or mud. Perhaps then you’d have a true appreciation for what a Jeep vehicle can do.
Good luck Jim,
Dave
No need to argue, ignore button works much better. Some folks just don't get it. Would argue that S*** doesn't stink. Been down that road.
 
Snow/ice capability is 90% tires anyway. I’d take a corvette with blizzaks before I took a jeep with big mud tires in the snow and ice.
I had a cousin do that with their corvette many years ago. Back then the winter tires were known as saw dust tires. That corvette went really well until the snow got to deep.
 
WOW!! I just heard that Jeep is now the official vehicle of winter!! I am so (blankin) happy!!:D
I had a 66 CJ5 with the buick V6 in it.it was one of my first vehicles I had when i was a kid. As i look back i am surprised i didnt kill myself with it. Never was in a wreck though and it was very top heavy. Couldnt go around a corner to fast. It was lite enough though I could drive through snow and not sink. Never was stuck in the snow, though i got stuck in mud once. Sure wish i still had it but definately to use as a part time vehicle not my main one like back then.
 
I had a cousin do that with their corvette many years ago. Back then the winter tires were known as saw dust tires. That corvette went really well until the snow got to deep.
Anyone who hasn’t driven on a set of real snow and ice tires has no clue how much better they are. “Severe Weather” all seasons aren’t even close!
 
I have a Nissan titan 4x4. Pretty tall. 400 hp. Mud tires. Will plow through anything.

My TJ is still easier to drive when it's slick. Small and light. Wide wheel base. Tiny turn radius.
 
They are good now. A Wrangler and a body on frame GMC full size SUV are both rated in the 400,000 mile life expectancy range.

That Pentastar engine and 5.3L Vortec are both expected to run 200,000 miles without serious issue. There must be dudes brining the averages down.

I have almost 7,000 hours and 274,000 miles on my gun range Yukon. The thought that my wranglers will match the 5.3 is encouraging. I fully expect even my ‘93 and ‘02 North Stars to survive the all electric age, because i’m not buying electric.

I’m about 6’3” and I have driven a Wrangler straight up a vertical rock “step” I’d be challenged to traverse without putting a hand down.

A Wrangler has a tubular steel roll cage that boxes out a steel frame. It also has a steel body. My chief complaint with a pickup, nagging me since about age 8 that others don’t see it, and nothing has changed, is that just two frame rails are all that holds it together in the middle. Even a convertible with its doors open still has the body floor on rails.

In the 90’s I regularly saw company pickups so flexed and twisted in construction work that the bed and cab compressed into each other. I could literally cut an $85k Denali pickup truck in half in minutes with a $5 hack saw.

I’ll take 747’s Wranglers and old Cadillacs with frames. If you’re 80 now, there’s a chance you designed something good. If you’ve ever spent time contemplating how easy your product is to recycle, hard pass.
 
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Anyone who hasn’t driven on a set of real snow and ice tires has no clue how much better they are. “Severe Weather” all seasons aren’t even close!
Soft compound and plenty of sipping is the ticket around here. BFG -KO-2 that are so popular are not that great and Mud tires are terrible on ice.
 
Anyone who hasn’t driven on a set of real snow and ice tires has no clue how much better they are. “Severe Weather” all seasons aren’t even close!

Typical "all-season" tires make a joke of that euphemism, that's for sure. Most just show how incapable during winter a tire can be, despite claims to being capable enough. Haven't had A/S tires in almost two decades.

Nicely, some tire makers are coming out with great-quality "all-weather" tires, with a winter-capable compound that's both pliable and grippy during winter yet tough enough to tolerate year-'round, all-weather use. (Eliminating the need for two sets of tires, one for winter and another for the other three seasons.)

My own experience is with a variety of ice+winter tires. Among which include the Nokian Hakkapeliitta. I'd rank them in the top 1% of any passenger vehicle tire available, for overall winter grip. Very capable, if down a tad on ice grip as compared to a couple of "better" ice tires out there.

Currently have the Nokian WR G4 "all-weather" tire. 3PMSF, any weather, with a compound designed for winter yet tough enough to survive even >100ºF summer temps, designed for year-'round use. Makes a decent AWD vehicle tough to stop, even with "only" these all-weather tires on them. Even with a 60Kmi tread life warranty and decent UTQG, IMO the WR G4 has about 90% of the Hakkas' outright winter grip, and it probably has a good ~4x the grip of a good 3PMSF-marked A/S tire. Like many, I believe use of even a good A/S during winter is approximating a death wish.

Might well ultimately do the two-sets approach. But at least with this all-weather unit from Nokian, it's no longer necessary.
 
Typical "all-season" tires make a joke of that euphemism, that's for sure. Most just show how incapable during winter a tire can be, despite claims to being capable enough. Haven't had A/S tires in almost two decades.

Nicely, some tire makers are coming out with great-quality "all-weather" tires, with a winter-capable compound that's both pliable and grippy during winter yet tough enough to tolerate year-'round, all-weather use. (Eliminating the need for two sets of tires, one for winter and another for the other three seasons.)

My own experience is with a variety of ice+winter tires. Among which include the Nokian Hakkapeliitta. I'd rank them in the top 1% of any passenger vehicle tire available, for overall winter grip. Very capable, if down a tad on ice grip as compared to a couple of "better" ice tires out there.

Currently have the Nokian WR G4 "all-weather" tire. 3PMSF, any weather, with a compound designed for winter yet tough enough to survive even >100ºF summer temps, designed for year-'round use. Makes a decent AWD vehicle tough to stop, even with "only" these all-weather tires on them. Even with a 60Kmi tread life warranty and decent UTQG, IMO the WR G4 has about 90% of the Hakkas' outright winter grip, and it probably has a good ~4x the grip of a good 3PMSF-marked A/S tire. Like many, I believe use of even a good A/S during winter is approximating a death wish.

Might well ultimately do the two-sets approach. But at least with this all-weather unit from Nokian, it's no longer necessary.
An AWD Volvo with Nokian ice tires is truly inspiring on bad roads. Go figure the Swedes would know a thing or two, right?
 
Most Subarus still on the market have been ridden pretty hard and put away wet a lot.:p Steer clear of the sticky shifters, too. We won't be getting deep into the drivetrain issues that are popular with them, even when they have a few years on them.
 
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