Alex Wheeler
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I will also agree with you if your shooting short range BR. You wont see a kernel at 100 yards, you may not even see a tenth. Lots of hall of fame shooters got there throwing powder. Very different world at 1k.
Is your aiming accuracy @1000 comparable to one kernel?
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You are so right on that one Alex, You try to throw powder at 1000 will get you started home very early....... jim
If you have the time and patience, why not load to the kernel? Hey, this is BR not service rifle. Not taking anything away from that type of competition, but as Alex pointed out totally different sport. I think the better BR shooters weight sort cases, even sort by capacity, sort bullets weight and BTO. Trimming and pointing bullets sometimes comes into play also. Does anyone think that it "can not" help shoot small? If nothing else it gives the shooter confidence that all of the things he can control are done well. Now get your head into the conditions. If you shoot poorly then it is on you, not the equipment or loads.
"sedan" Have not gone there yet, but not out of the question. May turn up a primer that had a different charge of compound. My 0.02gn scale may not do it.
Tweezers at the ready
Steve
"sedan" Have not gone there yet, but not out of the question. May turn up a primer that had a different charge of compound. My 0.02gn scale may not do it.
Tweezers at the ready
Steve
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I had a hell of a time drilling Varget. Matt
If you have the time and patience, why not load to the kernel? Hey, this is BR not service rifle. Not taking anything away from that type of competition, but as Alex pointed out totally different sport. I think the better BR shooters weight sort cases, even sort by capacity, sort bullets weight and BTO. Trimming and pointing bullets sometimes comes into play also. Does anyone think that it "can not" help shoot small? If nothing else it gives the shooter confidence that all of the things he can control are done well. Now get your head into the conditions. If you shoot poorly then it is on you, not the equipment or loads.
"sedan" Have not gone there yet, but not out of the question. May turn up a primer that had a different charge of compound. My 0.02gn scale may not do it.
Tweezers at the ready
Steve
Steve, you forgot weighing primers........Buy 20 barrels and get them chambered to find a hummer..... jim
ClassCat
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I throw powder with an R C B S that has been re-programed ,I can throw dead on loads All day. Those loads are sometimes cross checked against my Acculab Vicon ,to make sure the R C B S is being honest.They are usually off by 1/2 grain which is acceptable in short range. Have some friends that use the FX in their loading trailer and that the loads are accurate, but wish their wind reading skills were as accurate as the powder drop. They also compete in long range and say that F X is must, and say that the EXTRA KERNEL makes a difference, but still wish they could dope the wind that well.
As we both know powder drops like Bruno's or Bob Dodds are Very accurate, but aren't worth a Damm with stick powder. they were actually designed for ball,8208 and the variants of. Volume and weight are completely different when you factor in humidity which changes volume and weight,and now you're off chasing loads.
Joe Pipola PHX AZ
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Alex Wheeler
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Joe, I find my re programmed rcbs chargemaster is +/- .2. Even when its off .2 it can still read the desired charge on the scale. I check with my 120i. No one can read 1000 yards worth of conditions. So we do the best we can at the loading bench, read the wind as best we can and hope for the best. I cant control conditions, but I can control the loads. Its my opinion you have to be a better wind flag reader to compete at 100 than at 1000. But you have to be better on the loading bench to win at 1k.
Well I agree an disagree on the kernel one kernel causes any measurable difference at a 1000yds but I do sort cases an I do weigh powder an trickle as close as I can when I tune at a 100yds an 300yds an go to the match an hope I made the right decision I cannot tune at a 1000yds I don't have that luxury an let the chips fall as they may an try an keep them in the middle.
stan, not to be rude, but that is an OPINION based on NO FACTS/DATA. as you say yourself that you cannot tune past 300. several of the posters here DO tune at 1000. their comments are based on FACTS/DATA.
while most of us do 0.02, i know one world record holder at 1000 that does 0.01. hard to argue with success
while most of us do 0.02, i know one world record holder at 1000 that does 0.01. hard to argue with success
dcali
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Errors add. If you hold 1 MOA and your rifle shoots 1 MOA, you will shoot roughly 1.4 MOA with that rifle (it’s not 2 because sometimes errors cancel each other out). It’s always advantageous to reduce a source of error. Start with the big errors and work towards the small ones. Weighing to the kernel is a very small source of error, but it’s an easy one to fix.
Like I said I cannot tune at a 1000yds so I am at the mercy of a short range tune and I do the best I can records don't concern me as long as I am competitive an get quality time with shooters I shoot with I am tickled as a pig in mud.
Some of us don't have conditions that hold good enough try to tune at 1000, Like Stan has no range near him to even try. I test at 1000 at the match and tune at 100 and I did ok Till my eyes went south now it is just fun.
To say you can't tune up close, it works if you know how....... jim
Alex Wheeler
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I have terrible conditions at my local range. I will turn around 90% of the time without firing a shot. But I still tune at 1k. Its a major pain in my ass. But nothing I have tried equals the results for me any ways.
If you have the time and patience, why not load to the kernel? Hey, this is BR not service rifle. Not taking anything away from that type of competition, but as Alex pointed out totally different sport. I think the better BR shooters weight sort cases, even sort by capacity, sort bullets weight and BTO. Trimming and pointing bullets sometimes comes into play also. Does anyone think that it "can not" help shoot small? If nothing else it gives the shooter confidence that all of the things he can control are done well. Now get your head into the conditions. If you shoot poorly then it is on you, not the equipment or loads.
"sedan" Have not gone there yet, but not out of the question. May turn up a primer that had a different charge of compound. My 0.02gn scale may not do it.
Tweezers at the ready
Steve
I completely agree with you on loading to the kernel, seriously. However, over the course of time, I've found that individual kernels of H4350, my favorite powder, do NOT weigh the same. So...when I got a pan scale weight that was just over, or less, than the intended weight; I'd sort thru the kernels in the pan or the tray with tweezers...and in-turn select a kernel out of the pan or tray to add/remove in order to get a spot-on powder weight. Noticing this kernel weight-variable, I commenced weight-sorting my 8-pounder H4350 kernels into separate weight lots. I've found that weight-sorting up front is quite tedious and time consuming, but it's really speeded things up on the charging end
.Dan
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Hi Dan; Try sieve's of different sizes. I am sure your wife would love you tearing HER kitchen apart !I completely agree with you on loading to the kernel, seriously. However, over the course of time, I've found that individual kernels of H4350, my favorite powder, do NOT weigh the same. So...when I got a pan scale weight that was just over, or less, than the intended weight; I'd sort thru the kernels in the pan or the tray with tweezers...and in-turn select a kernel out of the pan or tray to add/remove in order to get a spot-on powder weight. Noticing this kernel weight-variable, I commenced weight-sorting my 8-pounder H4350 kernels into separate weight lots. I've found that weight-sorting up front is quite tedious and time consuming, but it's really speeded things up on the charging end
Dan
Medic505
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Actually I do have a copy you are welcome to. I bought it from Warren Dean. Very lightly used, like new....
Torge
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Jim,
I don’t completely agree. In 2016 we watched Tom set an aggregate record and only had one 1st relay on Saturday’s in LG, just bad luck in the draws. I did a spread sheet on it and as the day progressed the average of every relay grew by about .5” per group. I was not luck or a hummer barrel that did that, it was intelligent hard work. The guys that work the hardest do the best.
David
The guys that work the hardest do the best!@Torge
Never have truer words been spoken! Regardless of distance or discipline!
Bart
Never have truer words been spoken! Regardless of distance or discipline!
Bart
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