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Is there now a case for 6.5-284 in LR F-Class?

Thanks, I am hoping this coating works as advertised. I know a shooter who just had a 7mm rsaum barrel done, and is running his 1st rounds through it.
Was told he was able to drop about 5 grains off of his load, and get the same velocity as the naked barrel.
 
Whether it's F-class or sling shooting, you have to be honest with yourself when it comes down to how much recoil you can tolerate without throwing out a couple of 'uh oh' shots during the course of a match. Personally, I find it much easier to shoot 70+rds per day in a 3x1000 any/any prone match format using a Dasher than a 284 - and I've used both, so that's more than theory. Also, my 284s weigh a little more than the Dashers, 6 & 6.5x47s, 6.5x55, & even the 308 Palma rifle - while the extra weight of the 284 helps a little with recoil, it also contributes to fatigue.

Don't get me wrong - I like the 284, and really appreciate the edge it gives when conditions get tricky. But at the end of the day, I can tell I've been abusing my body just a little while shooting with 180s. I often do load development/testing with multiple rifles on my home range; it's a real eye-opener to shoot a 223/90 or Dasher/105 after running 20-30rds through a 284.
 
Both Open and FTR are moving towards larger and heavier solutions for LR performance.

That is taking its tole on both the shooter and gear in the form of recoil and costs.

Some will argue that this is great as it gives shooters that can afford both to thrive. "Survival of the fittest"

Personally, for the health and longevity of the sport, I feel this is a bad direction. Great for tech and ballistics. Bad for increasing or maintaining shooter population. But unless caps are put on what can be shot, this move is inevitable.

Jerry
 
Steve - back to original question.
I found it funny that your post came at the same time I was putting my 6.5-284 back together again. Thought it would make a good back-up gun with the new bullets. Going to have to be GREAT for me to put the 7 Walker in the case. Can't find enough bullets to set up two 7MMs.
I will switch to H4350 and see if I can extend barrel life. Like I said - I would love a shorter 284 case BUT just a 260 AI with todays brass could be the equal.
See you soon.
 
Erik,
I had a Krieger 1:8tw med Palma bbl chambered for the std 6.5x55 back in '02; used it on the Nesika K action of my Palma rifle for any/any prone sling matches. Had no issues running 142s at a little over 2900; recoil was mild, and accuracy was very good. Some years later, while setting up a BAT 3LL action with a hvy Palma bbl in 284 in a Robertson H&H stock, I decided to make it a switch barrel rig, so did another hvy Palma bbl in 6.5x55 AI for it. Haven't shot many matches with it, but it will definitely do the 2950fps you mentioned with any of the 139-142gr bullets, and do it with about the same accuracy as the std 6.5x55.

While that's not a lot more velocity than the std 6.5x55, the AI version also deals with the only thing I didn't like about the std 6.5x55 - case trimming. From what I've seen so far, it looks like I may never have to trim this stuff.
 
Eric---I think I had around 1500 rds on my first GW barrel when I rebarreled. I felt it may have been losing just a little accuracy at that point, but looking back, I think it may have been a brass issue. My second barrel was never the "hummer" the first one was ( though it shot plenty good). I got off on the .284 trail about that time and have not taken the time to go back and really try to find the right tune for that 2nd barrel. Forum member "Oneshot" had one of the first rifles that Greg Walley chambered in the GW, and last time I visited with him, it was still shootin great. He may chime in if he sees this thread and give you his insight on the cartridge and his findings on barrel life. It's a cool cartridge for sure. I was easily running the 136-142 gr bullets around 2950, and it hammered with the Berg 130 VLD's at around 3050. All with about 3 grs. less powder than the 6.5-284--- Holler if you get close to Sabinal, and I'll buy you lunch----Scottg
 
Scott, my 6.5x47 pushes 139's at 2,930 fps with great barrel and brass life, and only 40.0 gr. N550. I can't wait to try the 136 Scenar L's!

I'll give you a call when I'm close to Sabinal, thanks.
 
Erik,
I've not got enough rounds down the 6.5x55 AI bbl on the BAT 3LL yet to have an idea on bbl life. Sure doesn't take much shooting to smooth out the lands in the leade though, especially when compared to cases with less capacity, like 223 & 6 Dasher. I'd be happy to get 2000rds out of one, but that's probably a bit optimistic.
 
FWIW, I've always reckoned the standard 6.5X55mm underrated as a good all-round target cartridge, especially for the clubman looking for good performance allied to reasonable barrel life. It has excellent brass available and despite the nominally slightly larger case-head diameter than the ubiquitous 0.473" Mauser / '06 / 308, is usually a straight rebarreling job.

In Europe, including here in the UK, M1895 Swedish Mausers are usually the rifle to beat in Historic Arms comps when we talk about the cartridge in its original low pressure form. As well as often amazing precision for elderly rifles, its mild recoil makes it very easy to shoot compared to say the '03 Springfield.

We also see a lot of really good results from heavy-barrel Tikka T3 Varminter and similar factory rifles in our 'Factory Sporter' class in 600 and 1,000yd bench rest. They've pretty well taken over the top slots from equivalent .308 Win H-Bar Remington 700s and more surprisingly from the Savage 12 F-Class in 6.5-284. (The demise of the Savage is probably due to commercial + ITAR issues. Some years back we could buy this rifle at a really attractive price - not anymore as it now costs us little short of what many custom rifle builders charge. With the early wave of Savages having shot their 6.5-284 barrels out, we simply cannot get factory replacements at any price and a match barrel substitution takes the rifle out of 'Factory' status.)

I bought just one of these 6.5-284 Savage F-Class models new at a bargain price in 2008, but it was a disappointment. Not so bad that it could be returned as unsatisfactory, but it just never produced the quarter-MOA groups that the best of the breed saw - double that was good, three time it the norm. It never produced full 6.5-284 MVs either, loads that gave a 140 ~2,950 fps + in a friend's FS-Class winning Savage barely made 2,800 fps in mine. Giving it lots of patience, different loads and running-in made no improvement at all.

I eventually came to the conclusion that it was just a relatively poor barrel, so had a 30-inch True-Flite 6.5 Heavy Palma put on chambered for 6.5X55mm, no Dave Kiff special here either, just a standard PT&G CIP/Saami spec job. With the rifle otherwise as it came out of the box, this transformed it - not into a 0.1-MOA BR rifle, but into one that would regularly produce quarter-MOA with 139/140s at over 2,800 fps and with barely double-figure ES values. In testing, I got the 139gn Lapua Scenar up to almost 3,000 fps (2,999 fps 5-shot average) with Viht N160 with only slight high-pressure signs - but this was silly and pushing the cartridge much too far. In fairly limited testing, I got my best groups with the Viht N165 I had left over from the rifle's 6.5-284 incarnation - the most widely used powder for that cartridge in Europe. A tentative match load of the 140gn Berger BTLR and N165 gave something in the 2,825-2,850 bracket, quarter-inch groups and shot very well at mid ranges in one or two F-Class matches.

At this point, other Savage / UK related matters got in the way. My 308 F/TR build was to be based on the supply of a bunch of 'tricked-up' Savage 12 actions allegedly en route to to my gunsmith. Getting on for three years later, they're still stuck in the USA somewhere waiting on an export permit. Unaltered Savage PTA actions had been a great buy here at the time I bought my rifle - as in the US - but not any longer, doubling in price ...... now you can't get them at all. So, the 12 F-Class was cannibalised - the action and scope rail are part of my current F/TR rifle and doing very well indeed, the barrel will be reused at some time in the future, the stock was sold.

Out of interest, I tried a couple of 6.5X55mm factory rounds in the rebarrelled F-Class. Lapua 139gn Match is loaded to 6.5mm SKAN CIP levels, which should be warmer than US SAAMI and gave 2,596 fps against a claimed 800M/S or 2,625, 4 groups averaged 0.59-inch at 100yd, ES was 35 fps and SD 13.5 fps. Hornady 140gn 6.5X55mm PSP hunting ammo produced an average 1.1-inches from four groups, 2,487 fps average MV 126 fps ES and 38.4 fps SD - kind of mild!!

Whe I rebarrelled, I did look at the AI version, but the unavailability of dies put me off, plus the extra cost of getting a reamer. There is a view that an 'improved' 6.5X55mm may be the ultimate practical 6.5 match cartridge as the 284 version has a larger capacity case than needed or is desirable. I'd like to test this out, but there is a great deal going for the standard version of the cartridge for users who don't aspire to getting the last 100 fps for 1K shooting and want a good straightforward proposition. And yes, you do have to trim the cases rather often - my least favourite handloading chore.
 

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