Looking for a BR stock....i was trying to find who got the Robertson molds (SG&Y maybe?) so I was searching their name on google....and the Robertson website is back up...... are they back in business????
Is Robertson Composites back now?
- Thread starter GSRswapandslow
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GT Accuracy
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appears to be so - that's an interesting development
GT Accuracy
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why would McMillan destroy the molds?
does stiller not offer the SG&Y stocks still? they're listed on their sight?
DennisH
Life Time NRA member
Their operating.
If I was not so leery about acquiring an import license, I would stock them in the USA.
I was advised not to apply for one as an individual. After talking to a friend with the BATF, well I dropped the subject.
I would love to stock them if I could get them.
Any suggestions getting them in the USA?
Dennis
If I was not so leery about acquiring an import license, I would stock them in the USA.
I was advised not to apply for one as an individual. After talking to a friend with the BATF, well I dropped the subject.
I would love to stock them if I could get them.
Any suggestions getting them in the USA?
Dennis
Dusty Stevens
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Greg Taylor said:
Probably to not be associated. That was one of the bad times.
Ian posts on benchrest central sometimes. The question may be better asked over there.
Tim Singleton
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I don't think that site has been updated in years. It still lists viper actions as if they were availableGSRswapandslow said:
Robertson Composites is gone and the assets are still sitting collecting dust. The website was never taken down so that is the reason you can still access the site. There is nobody to take a call or build a stock. There is an outfit in the UK that makes Ian's F class design, but that is it.
DennisH said:
There are only so many composite stock makers out there that are true commercial operations servicing competitive shooters. Perhaps there is someone that has simply copied the designs and doing one offs? Even with that possibility, there will never be another Robertson stock unless Ian is making it. What I have seen are wood copies of Robertson designs "with improvements". It would be good to know who is actively producing and selling composite versions in the US. I have purchased a few used stocks and had them redone. Buying new ones would be preferred. The name of the company in the UK I mentioned is Dolphin Gun Company. They have the composite GBF stock I was referring to. My assumption is that they did a deal with Robertson for his design and mold when RC was a company in Canada. Probably because of the export/import restrictions you mention. Here's the link:
http://www.dolphinguncompany.co.uk/index.php/our-products/rifle-parts/rifle-stocks/dolphin-rifle-stocks
DennisH
Life Time NRA member
I will have to investigate this further.
I had a deal all set until I found out what was involved with an individual accruing an Import License. They definitely would be coming from Canada, and they were referred to as Robertson Composite Stocks.
I was advised by 3 people, One is a well known Vendor, One is a US Manufacturer, and one was/is a BATF employee not to apply for the Import License as an Individual.
I stopped everything after talking to these three. Homeland Security was the main issue, having to deal with them. All three told me almost the same thing.
Dennis
I had a deal all set until I found out what was involved with an individual accruing an Import License. They definitely would be coming from Canada, and they were referred to as Robertson Composite Stocks.
I was advised by 3 people, One is a well known Vendor, One is a US Manufacturer, and one was/is a BATF employee not to apply for the Import License as an Individual.
I stopped everything after talking to these three. Homeland Security was the main issue, having to deal with them. All three told me almost the same thing.
Dennis
I am not certain why your advisers would discourage you from buying some stocks from outside the US. Sporting rifles and the parts for a sporting rifle (and non military shotguns) are not on the restricted list and exempt. To be on that, it has to have military application or be a firearm as defined by the law as parts or completed firearms for military application. You still have to follow general import laws like all products. To be honest, I think you could have a stock shipped to you from Canada without an import license. Its not a restricted part or full firearm (no serial number). At worst, you would have to take a vacation to Canada and bring them back with you if the manufacturer does not want to deal with exporting them. OUS manufacturers don't want to hassle with export paperwork for one or two items no matter if its a stock or a paper clip. Just not worth it to them. They use our laws as an excuse not to deal with their or our customs processes.
I would recommend calling the NRA to get the skinny and understand the process and what is required. The law is complex but if you read it all, you will become convinced quickly that what you are trying to buy is not part of it. Here's a link that describes the law: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/national-firearms-act-handbook
Here's a Q&A quote from the ATF website: "Does the GCA control the sale of firearms parts? No, except that frames or receivers of firearms are "firearms" as defined in the law and are subject to the same controls as complete firearms. Certain parts of silencers and machineguns are also regulated as firearms under the GCA, as well as under the National Firearms Act (NFA)."
I would recommend calling the NRA to get the skinny and understand the process and what is required. The law is complex but if you read it all, you will become convinced quickly that what you are trying to buy is not part of it. Here's a link that describes the law: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/national-firearms-act-handbook
Here's a Q&A quote from the ATF website: "Does the GCA control the sale of firearms parts? No, except that frames or receivers of firearms are "firearms" as defined in the law and are subject to the same controls as complete firearms. Certain parts of silencers and machineguns are also regulated as firearms under the GCA, as well as under the National Firearms Act (NFA)."
DennisH
Life Time NRA member
Your correct, I can get "one" stock without much hassle and an import licesce is not required (see below, form 5330..A is required). To get 50 of them, well I was told to expect a visit from Homeland Security, maybe several of them. I know a person it happened to, and it was over "one" stock. If I were a big store or corporation, I wouldn't have much hassle, base on what I am being advised.
Calling the NRA sound like great advice.
5330.3A, ATF form must be filled out to acquire one stock from Canada, and this is for the end user, the item can't be resold. Check the form out. https://www.atf.gov/file/11381/download , it's only 14 pages long. I understand the app process as multiple copies must be filled out for different agencies. It's about a month process to get approved for just one stock.
Form 5330.3A from ATF website and form 5330.4 are for re-sellers importing. Feel free to look them up and I welcome feedback. If you have a store front, it's not too bad. Operating on your property where you live (have a separate building for your business), you give them the right to search every square inch of your property and HOME. I don't have anything to worry about, but it's still too invasive just to import an sell rifle stocks.
I understand after "Fast & Furious", this event really changed the complete process for importing any weapon part, including stocks. Again, I heard this from 4 different sources, two of which operated on their home property in separate buildings, and were not so nicely visited (just talked to another one today). They have their FFL's, one has his Class 3 stamp, but none of that mattered to Homeland Security & the Marshall's. One Homeland Security person stated that most resident operated business's are view as training camps (whatever they are called), or plainly put, David Korish type operations.
I am probably saying too much, but just explaining why I dropped it, especially after talking to a trusted BATF employee.
I am looking for an answer if anyone has one, I still want the stocks.
Dennis
Dennis. I had no idea that the process could end up so personally intrusive. I don't think I would be willing to entertain the prospect either given that information. Let us know if you find out anything from the NRA. They probably have all the right information. Hope you get it worked out.
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