Is RCBS just another import marketing company these days ?

[JRS]

The quality necessary for precision reloading will likely not be found in products coming from China. In an earlier post I mentioned the fact the Scott Parker will only tune scales made in the USA, which is a perfect example.
When companies like Redding and a handful of others are gone, what will we do then?
I know for a fact Reddings customer service is equal to that of RCBS, and they are still in business.
I love the Burris Signature rings and sent them an email stating I would gladly pay double for them to be made in the USA. All I got in response were crickets. The China ones work but in my eyes, they are very cheaply made. That standard might be OK for some things, but many it will not.
I probably take this too seriously, but to me it is a big deal.

Check where the parts for Nightforce scopes are made Not THE USA . Larry

You might check your homework, Larry. Nightforce does in fact produce some of the scope parts in Idaho, and assembles them there also.

 

[savagedasher]

But not ALL parts . I didn't say ALL and that a fact ;D ;D Merry Christmas Larry

 

[justpassinthru]

What turned me off of RCBS was when I saw "made in China" hidden on the bottom of a scale box, in print so small it would almost take a magnifying glass to read it.
And people are still buying that junk when there are much better options, all because of the reputation earned by RCBS back when that brand meant quality.
I just hope it bites them squarely on the a$$ sometime when people finally wake up and stop buying their products.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

It's amazing how Japanese and European car manufacturers can make money assembling cars in the US, but the American car manufacturers can't. What's the difference between the two?..........oh that's right, the UAW has to have their hand in everything the American car manufacturers do.

My grandfather worked for GM on the assembly lines in Saginaw as a kid, made his living selling auto parts, and he'll tell you exactly what the UAW has done to the American manufacturers. And to put things in perspective, he was Ford's top seller of auto parts and Chrysler's second top seller west of the Mississippi, so he wasn't a small fish. If you ever bought an American made auto part from Auto Shack (now Autozone) or Checker up until the mid 70's it likely came through him. FWIW, he now buys primarily German cars due the quality issues related to American cars. Hell, he was glad to get out of Michigan where we still have family working for GM. It's sad

Really If they aren't making money, how do they remain in business? How are they able to pay the CEO 20+ million dollars per year? Get real :

Larry: $250.00 per day for picking tomatoes/oranges? Would it surprise you to realize the farm field workers work 42 hours per week, and average pay is $7.45 per hour. If they are lucky enough to secure permanent employment, after 6 years with the same employer, the pay goes up to $8.25 per hour. I don't know which country you live in that pays field farm workers that kind of money, but it certainly isn't the U.S.

JRS, there are some thing you cant find on google. Larry is in Florida, and yes the Mexicans can make very good money. Its been a few years, but last I heard my cousin was paying a minimum of 12.00 cash for a Mexican to run a weed whip. They take it back to Mexico and live like kings. Also, a lot of farms pay per bushel. I used to get .25 a bushel to pick apples as a kid, and if you move it adds up fast.

Alex: the figures I quoted are the wages from the UFW (United Farm Workers of America) a labor union. So - if the non-union tomato/orange pickers in Florida are making $250.00 per day, and the union farm workers are making $7.00-$8.00 per hour, based on a 42 hour week, who is screwing whom at the grocery store? It certainly isn't the UNION farm worker. Out of curiosity, Alex, during what year time frame were auto mechanics making 100k per year? Not trying to be nosey, but one of my neighbors has been a technician (mechanic) for Massano Mercedes Benz since 1995. Is that figure based on a 40 hour work week?

2002 is when I started there. There were #1 in the world for Pontiac sales, we also had GMC. Techs are paid flat rate, each job pays x amount of hours, the hourly wage was 24.00 at the time. We had so much work I remember having cars there for 2 weeks before we even pulled them in. You work as long as the work load dictates. So anywhere from 40-60 hours, but a good tech should do 150%.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I got a bud here in my town that is a duramax mechanic. He fixes the ones from other dealerships that cant. He has a big part of the chevy lot filled with trucks waiting on him. He makes well over $100k/yr. not sure how much the regular techs make there but i do know what he drags in.

 

[bobinpa]

The quality necessary for precision reloading will likely not be found in products coming from China. In an earlier post I mentioned the fact the Scott Parker will only tune scales made in the USA, which is a perfect example.
When companies like Redding and a handful of others are gone, what will we do then?
I know for a fact Reddings customer service is equal to that of RCBS, and they are still in business.
I love the Burris Signature rings and sent them an email stating I would gladly pay double for them to be made in the USA. All I got in response were crickets. The China ones work but in my eyes, they are very cheaply made. That standard might be OK for some things, but many it will not.
I probably take this too seriously, but to me it is a big deal.

Check where the parts for Nightforce scopes are made Not THE USA . Larry

You might check your homework, Larry. Nightforce does in fact produce some of the scope parts in Idaho, and assembles them there also.

That may be, however, there is enough of that scope made in Japan that it says made in Japan on the scope and I've seen it on the box the scope comes in too. So, I'll stick to Leupold.

 

[savagedasher]

Leupold is not any different. Without parts bein made in another country the wouldn't be able to sell world wide . Larry

 

[JRS]

The Japanese happen to produce some of the very best optical glass that money can buy. It is every bit as good as the best German SCHOTT glass. I won't refuse one simply because it is made in Japan. Maybe we should boycott Nightforce ;D After all, they're made in Japan, and the company was founded by an Australian Dentist.

 

[fredo]

The Jefferson quote does not apply to labor. It clearly is directed at corporate greed, which was true in his time and also of ours.

Apparently, you don't know any Union "leaders, LMAO!!!

 

[lightman]

I recently ordered a set of RCBS dies (220 Swift) for a friend. I tacked them onto one of my orders and we split the shipping. Knowing that he probably would never do it, I took the dies apart to clean them, expecting to see lots of trash left over from the machine shop. The dies were cleaner than any new set of dies that I have ever seen and had a coat of light oil on them. They looked exactly like all of my other dies, with nice sharp threads and the knurled part looked good. I could not find anyplace on the dies, the box or the paper work stating a country of origin.

I like to buy American and do whenever I can. Its getting harder and harder. If I can't buy American I try to buy quality. China just don't have it like Japan or Germany.

You guys have lots of opinions and ideas about out economy, jobs, China,ect, and I respect but maybe don't agree with all of them. But I must say, I retired with 35 years as an IBEW member, and proud of it, and none of you had to contribute to my pension. It did gripe me that the $hit birds made the same wages that I did, but thats just the way it is. MERRY CHRISTMAS You'all!

 

[JRS]

I recently ordered a set of RCBS dies (220 Swift) for a friend. I tacked them onto one of my orders and we split the shipping. Knowing that he probably would never do it, I took the dies apart to clean them, expecting to see lots of trash left over from the machine shop. The dies were cleaner than any new set of dies that I have ever seen and had a coat of light oil on them. They looked exactly like all of my other dies, with nice sharp threads and the knurled part looked good. I could not find anyplace on the dies, the box or the paper work stating a country of origin.

I like to buy American and do whenever I can. Its getting harder and harder. If I can't buy American I try to buy quality. China just don't have it like Japan or Germany.

You guys have lots of opinions and ideas about out economy, jobs, China,ect, and I respect but maybe don't agree with all of them. But I must say, I retired with 35 years as an IBEW member, and proud of it, and none of you had to contribute to my pension. It did gripe me that the $hit birds made the same wages that I did, but thats just the way it is. MERRY CHRISTMAS You'all!

BSOIW (retired) Building America since 1896 8)

 

[Geronimo Jim]

My 12x42's and 15x55's Nightforces are marked "Made in Japan". My 2 x 10 NSX is marked "Made in USA".

I love Nightforce.

 

[Barlow]

The Jefferson quote does not apply to labor. It clearly is directed at corporate greed, which was true in his time and also of ours.

Apparently, you don't know any Union "leaders, LMAO!!!

Apparently you don't know anything. Barlow

 

[savagedasher]

I recently ordered a set of RCBS dies (220 Swift) for a friend. I tacked them onto one of my orders and we split the shipping. Knowing that he probably would never do it, I took the dies apart to clean them, expecting to see lots of trash left over from the machine shop. The dies were cleaner than any new set of dies that I have ever seen and had a coat of light oil on them. They looked exactly like all of my other dies, with nice sharp threads and the knurled part looked good. I could not find anyplace on the dies, the box or the paper work stating a country of origin.

I like to buy American and do whenever I can. Its getting harder and harder. If I can't buy American I try to buy quality. China just don't have it like Japan or Germany.

You guys have lots of opinions and ideas about out economy, jobs, China,ect, and I respect but maybe don't agree with all of them. But I must say, I retired with 35 years as an IBEW member, and proud of it, and none of you had to contribute to my pension. It did gripe me that the $hit birds made the same wages that I did, but thats just the way it is. MERRY CHRISTMAS You'all!

We all contributed you retirement and the union cost was all figured in the cost of product. Larry

 

[fredo]

Apparently you don't know anything. Barlow

You'd like to think so, it'd make you look less ignorant. Or, blind.

Are you implying that union corruption is a foreign subject to you?

Are you implying that what others who've posted here of union members being "slack-azzs", milking seniority, etc. are figments of their imagination? Or, just mine?

None of this crap matters, anyway. It'll never change because people are indeed at the crux of the problem. The negative aspects of "union mentality" merely facilitate the phenomenon.

I could tell you things that would make your head spin, but not gonna bother. Its Christmas Eve, and I'm about to throw my (non-union) staff here a nice party & give 'em the rest of the day off...

Thanks for the personal dig, I'll turn the other cheek & take it in stride.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

 

[JRS]

As collective bargaining (unions) diminishes, the wages follow.

www.epi.org/publication/collective-bargainings-erosion-expanded-the-productivity-pay-gap/

Americana at it's finest:

Schuff Steel - largest steel fabricator and steel erector in the U.S.
American Bridge - founded in 1900
Chicago Bridge and Iron - founded in 1889
SME Steel - one of the largest steel fabricators and steel erectors in the U.S.

All remain in business today. Started with, and continue to employ union ironworkers.

Unlike non-union erectors, they don't hire low wage green card holders, and haven't abandoned their AMERICAN roots. The union helped to make them who they are, and obviously, quite successful

 

[Steve Blair]

As collective bargaining (unions) diminishes, the wages follow.

www.epi.org/publication/collective-bargainings-erosion-expanded-the-productivity-pay-gap/

[br]
Yes, JRS, it certainly enhances your credibility to cite unbiased sources like EPI. LOL [br]
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/516-economic-policy-institute/

 

[/VH]

Why should the conditions of my employment be anything other than an agreement between my employer and me? In this great but formerly greater country, I am free to not work for anyone that I so choose. An employer should also be free to not employ anyone that they so choose not to employ. Ain't that what liberty is about?

In ideal circumstances your assertion of "the agreement between you and your employer" would be correct. But because of "greed, ability to exploit, and generally unscrupulous business practices" can and do change "in mid-stream" can leave you in a MAJOR lurch. Example: you "agree" with your employer over the "conditions" of your employment and you go to work at 25 years old. All goes well UNTIL a "New C.E.O. or Owner" takes over and does NOT like "your arrangement" and changes it, to HIS benefit in mid-stream... However, "mid-stream" for you is 50 years old. You have kids in college, a mortgage, some 401K money and at an age where you are now "past the age" of hiring desirability.

So you want and NEED to make a change BUT at your age, you find, in THIS job market, you can only get about 50-60 percent of your previous salary. You see your hopes and dreams of a nice retirement and a GOOD job, in the "evening" of your work-life, evaporating right before your eyes! You now see retirement as an unattainable goal, at least not the retirement YOU envisioned a scant 1 year ago! To make matter worse, it was NOT your fault! Multiply that scenario 15 million times and you will see WHY people want unions! Had it not been for the "New C.E.O. / Owner" who wants to MAXIMIZE profits at YOUR (and vicariously everyone else's) expense, you would not be in this egregious situation!

If you do not believe this situation exists on a large scale, you are living with Alice in Wonderland! Just ask the Enron employee, who is 55 years old! This sort of thing will go on until the unions make another stand. They will and they will grow. It is a T-Totally unnecessary scenario. However, because of greed, "perceived power" or whatever other grandiose idea exists from the employer, this situation will continue. The EXCELLENT employers will get caught up in the malaise, and that, my friend, is very unfortunate..

Ben,

Thanks for your eloquent answer to my question. You may very well be correct in regard to the "majority". However, personally, I have never been inclined to expect my employer to nanny me, nor have I been inclined to form or join an organization (that has the high potential of being or becoming a racket) in order to compel my employer to nanny me.

Respectfully,

Brian


To those who have stated that I have not contributed to their pension/retirement; if you have worked, or maybe more accurately stated, been employed by the federal government, a contractor to the federal government or have been employed in an industry that produced goods or services that I have consumed or that federal taxes have been used to acquisition for other consumers; how have I not contributed?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I dont know how this spun out of control. How bout folks like me on railroad retirement- unless youre in that i assure you that you havent contributed to my plan. Its a standalone and i dont pay SS. Even tho i havent worked in a year- you know seniority stuff. Good thing i can make a living building rifles

 

[bobinpa]

This is how I see it, It doesn't matter how we got to where we are because we can't rewind time and change it. It doesn't matter which union did what, which president did this or that. What matters is going forward. It's basic. Every time someone buys something that isn't made in the U.S.A. the U.S.A. economy takes a hit. However big or small it is a hit. Some people say it doesn't matter, well if that was the case we wouldn't be in the economic situation that we are.
In the past I've made mistakes. I've bought things that aren't made here. I own several Browning shotguns, for example. I like them and I think they are good shotguns. Will I buy another one, NO. To me bragging about buying a Japanese or Chinese made car or anything else is like bragging that you wet the bed. I do my best to buy American made and when I don't or can't, I am ashamed of myself. If there is no choice, then there is no choice. I'm not going to do without a toaster because I can't find one made here, but I'm not going to buy a Japanese scope when I can buy an American one. I'm not going to buy Chinese boots when I can buy American made Danners. If the American product costs more, so what, I pay it. When I can avoid it, I don't buy from companies that actually have plants here, either. To me that is better, but still not good. The big portion of their profit goes back to the mother land and into their economy, not ours, and those companies are laughing at us. Little by little, we, the people of this great country, can make a difference. We shouldn't have to hope that a certain president is elected to do it for us.