3Sigma
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Amen brother. It's up to us and our kids.
Is It Too Many Guns
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Shit home lives, non existent fathers and/or parents that let tv/phones/video games raise their children. I was in high school when Columbine happened and have paid attention to all of them since. No one ever talks about the kid’s home life.
When I was growing up there was teenage suicide. Not to over-simplify, but it is a Confusing time of life with so many changes and pressure all at same time.
I heard a report that referred to the underlying motivation for most of these mass shootings as Suicide with opportunity to be Famous. Stop and think about it for a minute. None of these shooters have had an exit plan…. Only a plan of attack with high fatality rate and now also filming/uploading live for fame & glory.
Social media has created an opportunity for someone to become instantly known & remembered. All a person has to do is an act that captures everyone’s attention… it cuts through all the other stories and distractions. If not for committing such a heinous act, these individuals in their ordinary life would have remained unknown and forgotten.
It changes the debate or at least the approach to how we (parents, schools, law enforcement, and communities) addresses the problem, such as more effort on front-end helping young adults who are experiencing problems. This may keep them from escalating.
I heard a report that referred to the underlying motivation for most of these mass shootings as Suicide with opportunity to be Famous. Stop and think about it for a minute. None of these shooters have had an exit plan…. Only a plan of attack with high fatality rate and now also filming/uploading live for fame & glory.
Social media has created an opportunity for someone to become instantly known & remembered. All a person has to do is an act that captures everyone’s attention… it cuts through all the other stories and distractions. If not for committing such a heinous act, these individuals in their ordinary life would have remained unknown and forgotten.
It changes the debate or at least the approach to how we (parents, schools, law enforcement, and communities) addresses the problem, such as more effort on front-end helping young adults who are experiencing problems. This may keep them from escalating.
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Take just half the money our government wastes - make a fund, allow school systems to apply for Hardening there campus. Pandora's box is open, every damn thing has flown out of it. Will it make schools look like prisons,sure, get over it. Dad of a rising senior with two adult children. Don't be afraid to to teach children boundaries, work ethic, empathy.
Follow the path of money and power. This has always been the roadmap. Parents who are too lazy to raise their own children and "a pill will fix everything" society are the root causes. Blame video games, violent movies, etc. but anyone with a strong sense of wrong / right will not be swayed by weak external influences.
Find the ways in which our own government has eroded the nuclear family and a moral way of life. You can bring in religion, and I'm not a staunch Bible thumper, but at least in my chosen religion I felt the one thing I took away was a sense of right vs. wrong and the right way to treat people. I won't go too far down this path.
Those who want to remove guns and erase the 2nd Ammendment want to do so for one simple reason. It's the easiest path with the greatest reward. Tackling mental health problems and going against big pharma is not the path they want to walk. Mental health would be a HUGE task and there's too much money to be made from dozens of "mental health" drugs.
I keep hearing of "hardeng" schools. While in the short term that may have some immediate effects but in the long term it isn't a solution. In grades school, not that long ago, I remember open doors and windows in the early summer months. Not once did i walk by one thinking "holy shit, what if someone comes in the school with a gun!?". NEVER. We need to get back to that place and we're not going to do it by banning guns.
Hunting, self defense, recreation are the main points brought up by those who explain why the 2nd ammendment is not to be infringed. I RARELY here the real actual reason why the founders wrote suck an ammendment. TO BE ABLE TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS OVERREACHED ITS AUTHORITY. When asked why I need a semi auto anything or high capacity magazines, hunting and recreation are not even in my mind. If it becomes time to keep a government in check, I'm not looking to do so with a lever action 30-30. I'd hate to see that time come but if it did. I'd want to be as well prepared as possible.
Anything, other than addressing the ACTUAL solution of the problem which is human beings and their decisions, is a band aid and WILL NOT SOLVE ANYTHING.
Find the ways in which our own government has eroded the nuclear family and a moral way of life. You can bring in religion, and I'm not a staunch Bible thumper, but at least in my chosen religion I felt the one thing I took away was a sense of right vs. wrong and the right way to treat people. I won't go too far down this path.
Those who want to remove guns and erase the 2nd Ammendment want to do so for one simple reason. It's the easiest path with the greatest reward. Tackling mental health problems and going against big pharma is not the path they want to walk. Mental health would be a HUGE task and there's too much money to be made from dozens of "mental health" drugs.
I keep hearing of "hardeng" schools. While in the short term that may have some immediate effects but in the long term it isn't a solution. In grades school, not that long ago, I remember open doors and windows in the early summer months. Not once did i walk by one thinking "holy shit, what if someone comes in the school with a gun!?". NEVER. We need to get back to that place and we're not going to do it by banning guns.
Hunting, self defense, recreation are the main points brought up by those who explain why the 2nd ammendment is not to be infringed. I RARELY here the real actual reason why the founders wrote suck an ammendment. TO BE ABLE TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS OVERREACHED ITS AUTHORITY. When asked why I need a semi auto anything or high capacity magazines, hunting and recreation are not even in my mind. If it becomes time to keep a government in check, I'm not looking to do so with a lever action 30-30. I'd hate to see that time come but if it did. I'd want to be as well prepared as possible.
Anything, other than addressing the ACTUAL solution of the problem which is human beings and their decisions, is a band aid and WILL NOT SOLVE ANYTHING.
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The anti gun groups all know this. That's not disputable. What's disputable is the fix. The antis keep getting more and more ammunition for their cause and being a one sided administration and a media that plays nice with that side, there is no way to fight it without referring to the second amendment. Now all we hear is that the second amendment isn't absolute. The only thing that is absolute is that the current leadership have lost their minds and are not rational people. Luckily we've had that before and are still standing strong on our second amendment power. Doubtful we'll lose it but not because it's not an action in full force right now.
nmkid
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M-61, thank goodness we had the remaining 20% with us!
wkdickinson
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We all keep talking about the kids that do these things, but it's not just kids. It was only back in April when a 60 yo man shot 10 people on a NYC subway for no reason in the middle of the day. Last week a Goldman Sacs exec was shot and killed on a NYC subway by a 25yo at 11:00 in the morning on his way to brunch. While school shooting are certainly the most gut wrenching of these incidents, random violence is all around us. Our President talks about these things as acts of terrorism and in my mind that is absolutely wrong. A Terrorists are motivated by something, there is a purpose to their actions, even if it is likely a "wrong" one. Incidents like the one in TX this week are not terrorism, they are evil.
I was in a discussion with a young woman I call my daughter ( she does not call me "dad", Genetically I am not, financially , morally , spiritually I am) . Same subject, Same question.
My answer was
A: This whole thing is a massive cosmic accident , you are an infinitesimally small speck on an minute planet
for a brief second of infinity, a meaningless vapor to be forgotten with no relative value. Nothing you could ever
say or do, no matter how good, no matter how evil really mattered. Hitler and Mother Teresa are the same.
A school shooting , or any other injustice is just an adverse chemical reaction , one of a quintrillion at any given second .
Or
B: You are the most valuable thing in the universe. You will be rewarded, or punished for all
of eternity. The creator of all things paid the highest price for you.
You are loved above all else.
People are no longer living like they are accountable for their actions .
At this point, I don't think there is an answer.
My answer was
A: This whole thing is a massive cosmic accident , you are an infinitesimally small speck on an minute planet
for a brief second of infinity, a meaningless vapor to be forgotten with no relative value. Nothing you could ever
say or do, no matter how good, no matter how evil really mattered. Hitler and Mother Teresa are the same.
A school shooting , or any other injustice is just an adverse chemical reaction , one of a quintrillion at any given second .
Or
B: You are the most valuable thing in the universe. You will be rewarded, or punished for all
of eternity. The creator of all things paid the highest price for you.
You are loved above all else.
People are no longer living like they are accountable for their actions .
At this point, I don't think there is an answer.
We need to stop letting those with mindsets that are criminal, deranged, mentally incompetent or chemically abusive, ride our coattails. People harboring such designs are not legal, bona fide, purchasers of guns, and we will all end up paying a high price in rights for the inability of the transfer system to weed these propensities for killing, out.
While you and I might be inclined as a human being to sympathize with an individual’s circumstances, that has to end before it comes to their lax access to guns.
These people who are fatally troubled mentally and entertain buying guns - they aren’t us and we are not them. They have zero interest in appreciation for guns, they could not care less about history or the second amendment, the future, or the value of life.
We have to draw a crisp bright line here on guns. The mentally incompetent are a greater threat to 2A than Democrats. Hard thoughts and words coming, but this is not child’s play, - we want to embrace and correct and excuse, but we do so at the glaring peril of it ending exactly like it did when Chris Kyle and his friend took that particular troubled vet to the range that day, or when Adam Lanza’s mother, an enthusiast of sorts, terribly misjudged her son, or when that FFL with bills to pay realizes on the news, “I just made that sale”.
While you and I might be inclined as a human being to sympathize with an individual’s circumstances, that has to end before it comes to their lax access to guns.
These people who are fatally troubled mentally and entertain buying guns - they aren’t us and we are not them. They have zero interest in appreciation for guns, they could not care less about history or the second amendment, the future, or the value of life.
We have to draw a crisp bright line here on guns. The mentally incompetent are a greater threat to 2A than Democrats. Hard thoughts and words coming, but this is not child’s play, - we want to embrace and correct and excuse, but we do so at the glaring peril of it ending exactly like it did when Chris Kyle and his friend took that particular troubled vet to the range that day, or when Adam Lanza’s mother, an enthusiast of sorts, terribly misjudged her son, or when that FFL with bills to pay realizes on the news, “I just made that sale”.
I cant press the like button but if there was a Empathy button I'd be all over it.
Sorry for your loss.
The root cause is social and mental health. I do believe there is a tie with the use of the anti depressant drugs. If we ban guns what do you think these psychos are going to do? Do the politicos think they are going to lead nice happy lives? O don't think so. If they will murder with a gun they will murder with something else.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Ill be 100% behind any law that could have stopped any of these shooters.
God will not be mocked. If you sow the wind you will reap the whirl wind. Permissive culture that denies the judgement of God must suffer His wrath, both in this world and the one to come. Bottom line is, humans love sin and hate holiness. The only fix is Jesus Christ.
Murray Brook
Silver $$ Contributor
Very well said.
jackson1
Silver $$ Contributor
Just another comment to brighten your day. Was looking at my interweb news feed this past weekend and read an interesting article, that should get the attention of everyone here. They point the piece was that it ain't about the guns, it's the amount of ammunition. That being; every gun owner should be restricted to only 50 rounds by law. According to the article, that is how they do it in Israel. Just another case of treating the symptoms rather than the cause. For me enough said.
House Bill for 1,000% Tax on Assault Weapons to Be Filibuster-Proof: Beyer
Democratic Representative Donald Beyer said that the new bill would be intended to "inhibit and restrict sales" of AR-15-style guns.
www.newsweek.com
House Bill for 1,000% Tax on Assault Weapons to Be Filibuster-Proof: Beyer
Democratic Representative Donald Beyer said that the new bill would be intended to "inhibit and restrict sales" of AR-15-style guns.
Isn’t that the same issue as a poll tax? They are taxing a right. The poll tax was deemed unconstitutional and fixed with the 24th amendment.
Probably, but when has anything being unconstitutional dissuaded the dirty bat rastards
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