Is It Too Many Guns

[bsekf]

What is our problem? Mental illness, fatherless homes, drugs, social media, computer games, religion removed from schools, overzealous politicians, all of the above plus 100 others.

"shall not be infringed" is pretty darn plain, however we all know people who shouldn't have a gun.

What is a reasonable answer to the problem?

 

[Forum Boss]

The majority of the young mass shooters, according to studies, are on anti-depressant drugs. They also play violent video games excessively, and have few friends or other activities. The anti-depressants seem to act like a mental destabilizer, taking these young people into a world where they no longer distinguish wrong from right.

 

[Adam in WI]

The majority of the young mass shooters, according to studies, are on anti-depressant drugs.

Where is that information found? It seems people are easily convinced that the problem is easy access to guns or something else that can only be corrected by restricting the rights of everyone else.

Forum Boss: There are many sources on the web, if you dig a little, but after the Columbine incident, there was quite a bit of investigation. Here is one of many articles, this one a decade old:

The Real Lesson of Columbine: Psychiatric Drugs Induce Violence - Citizens Commission on Human Rights® of Colorado

Filmmaker Michael Moore Weighs In On Why Columbine Happened On this 12-year anniversary of the shooting rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, let us not forget the real lesson of Columbine: psychiatric drugs induce violence. Shooter Eric Harris was taking the antidepressant...

psychiatricfraud.org

NOTE: I am NOT a fan of Michael Moore -- but even the left has acknowledged the connection between anti-depressants and this kind of violence.

 

[chop house]

joe diffe:

"his car drives away with teenagers in it.
Driver tells his buddies, got one life to live
they scream into the night, lets get it over with."

not to be flip, but many of these kids think they will either die on the street or prison, so better to flame out in 'glory'. i am not a psychologist but it seems all of youth culture is based on recognition and street cred.
something they lack.

 

[Wingnut00]

Bring back real parents that kick the holy shit out of their kid when mistakes are made! Bring back parents that teach their kids right from wrong! I call bullshit on violent video games, just an excuse. And get rid of social media completely!
I personally think everyone should grow up rural, ranch and farm, learn to work your ass off and respect others and there is way more to it than that. I guess let’s abolish big cities and worthless ass people. Seems like most of the time that’s where this all comes from.

 

[bsekf]

I just heard Bill Bennet say there are 3-4 times more school kids killed by Fetal overdose then by shooters. Is it because the shootings are so violent?

 

[Dave Zander]

No laws will fix this. Eliminating guns will not fix this. With this logic we should eliminate SUV's right and sue car manufacturers. Sick kids with no hope or anything to live for is the problem.
But no one wants to admit this.

 

[300_whisper]

It’s social media and our culture breeding a victim mentality. Dependency on drugs to fix your mood, and no personal accountability for ones actions.

 

[sandwarrior]

The majority of the young mass shooters, according to studies, are on anti-depressant drugs. They also play violent video games excessively, and have few friends or other activities. The anti-depressants seem to act like a mental destabilizer, taking these young people into a world where they no longer distinguish wrong from right.

That's why teen suicides are on the rise and drug overdoses are at 107,000~something. Drugs aren't the issue! Guns are (sarcasm). Oh and a lot of the statistics quoted about murders with guns are drug related.

 

[Mulligan]

In 1995, this book was published (On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War) about why many (80%) American soldiers would not fire on the enemy even when faces with certain death otherwise.
The result of this decades long study, morals, American family's value life.
When congress (yes, the US Congress, because it was a taxpayer funded study) ask the author why it was we have so much killing in "big city America", the answer was simple. Young adults today (1995) have 10 times (magnitude of 10) indoctrination that a Vietnam era War Veteran received prior to deployment. This indoctrination the young adults get is directly through video games and the TV/movies.
So the people making millions on selling violent material to Americans is also shouting the loudest to take your guns away.

The answer, we need real Leadership in this country. Our homes, our schools, our counties, our states, and our nation, we need real Leadership.

I hear discussions now about restricting 18 year old young adults from buying AR's. They already cannot buy beer or a stiff drink. They already cannot purchase a handgun of any sort. They can marry and have children, abort a baby, get a loan on a car, volunteer for service with any of the US Armed Forces, they can be drafted into military service, change their name, get a sex change operation, change religions and become radical, move to a foreign land and join weird anti-American groups, go to college which include signing for huge loans to pay for college, quit school and hang out on a street corner with a cardboard sigh that says, "why lie, I want a joint" (we see this in Colorado now that pot is legal----and yes people give them money). These young adults can make an awful lot of serious decisions regarding the rest of their lives, many of which also have lasting consequences. I suspect they are either adults or not, like being pregnant, you either are or you are not.

I have read in the news that 16 and 17 year olds that have done awful things get "tried" as an adult.

Do we need to re-define the word adult?

CW

 

[andym686]

The majority of the young mass shooters, according to studies, are on anti-depressant drugs. They also play violent video games excessively, and have few friends or other activities. The anti-depressants seem to act like a mental destabilizer, taking these young people into a world where they no longer distinguish wrong from right.

Well said.

 

[vonb]

Two years ago, I watched in horror as my 15 year old son put a 9mm Luger to his head and pulled the trigger 38 yards in front of me. I begged him not to do it and realized I couldn't cover 38 yards fast enough to get to him. Unknown at the time, the night before, another juvenile had told him on SnapChat to go get a gun, pull the trigger and no one would care. My son did just that. My son at the time was on Prozac that the doctors had prescribed him for depression. One of my biggest regrets was ever allowing a Dr. to put him on the medication.

I don't blame the guns. I blame social media, anti-depressants, isolation from COVID and the lack of support in general from society towards one another.

 

[Mulligan]

Two years ago, I watched in horror as my 15 year old son put a 9mm Luger to his head and pulled the trigger 38 yards in front of me. I begged him not to do it and realized I couldn't cover 38 yards fast enough to get to him. Unknown at the time, the night before, another juvenile had told him on SnapChat to go get a gun, pull the trigger and no one would care. My son did just that. My son at the time was on Prozac that the doctors had prescribed him for depression. One of my biggest regrets was ever allowing a Dr. to put him on the medication.

I don't blame the guns. I blame social media, anti-depressants, isolation from COVID and the lack of support in general from society towards one another.

OMG,
I am so sorry for your loss.
CW

 

[chop house]

@vonb I can not even imagine. i have no words that can express...

 

[dantiff2]

Two years ago, I watched in horror as my 15 year old son put a 9mm Luger to his head and pulled the trigger 38 yards in front of me. I begged him not to do it and realized I couldn't cover 38 yards fast enough to get to him. Unknown at the time, the night before, another juvenile had told him on SnapChat to go get a gun, pull the trigger and no one would care. My son did just that. My son at the time was on Prozac that the doctors had prescribed him for depression. One of my biggest regrets was ever allowing a Dr. to put him on the medication.

I don't blame the guns. I blame social media, anti-depressants, isolation from COVID and the lack of support in general from society towards one another.

That is very rough as a father of little boys to read. Very sad and so sorry for your families loss.

 

[Kittitas George]

A group of 'problem solvers' needs to be formed for discussion of what is 'possible'. Not politicians looking for votes or campaign funds. Because they were elected to office doesn't make them an 'expert' on anything, regardless of committee assignment or what ever. Problem solving is "getting to yes", not insulting or demeaning the person across the table. Lots of variables, laws, rules, customs and attitudes need airing. The goal must be 'the possibilities'. The "ya, but" and "what if's" need to be discussed.
We have people that are well educated in the hunting/ shooting activities, writers, authors, lawyers and some professors that should have good problem solving ability. A really capable facilitator is a must. After this group has something for the law makers, the Congress or the states can do their job. This is not something that can be solved over night, it should take some time to solve properly, BUT, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. We have an opportunity "to make this a more perfect union".

 

[Bill K]

Drug overdose, use of drugs and deaths by such are much higher than those killed by guns. Then the numbers, each day, of those killed in vehicle accidents is also much more, but no call for banning of vehicles and drugs, in fact laws allowing the use of various drugs are passed by the same lawmakers, that want to ban guns for the fewer deaths they cause. No common sense at all.
Prior to the election many said Biden/Harris and the commie democrats would have the USA looking like Venezuela, with food shortages, higher or no fuel and crime on the rise.
It sure is coming to be with them in power in Wash DC and many states. So, what we were told, is coming to light and occuring, more and more each day.
Prepare for the worse folks, as it will be here, very fast.

 

[M-61]

I just heard Bill Bennet say there are 3-4 times more school kids killed by Fetal overdose then by shooters. Is it because the shootings are so violent?

Your last sentence is confusing because of you first sentence

 

[M-61]

In 1995, this book was published (On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War) about why many (80%) American soldiers would not fire on the enemy even when faces with certain death otherwise.

I find this to be unbelievable to the point I do not think it is a fact. Just because something was published means nothing.
80%?? No way I'm buying that for a second.
I can only speak from personnel experience. Having fought in VietNam I never ran across a single soldier who did not fire at the enemy. Not ONE! And I am not talking about being fired on first either.
Who is the author and what was his real objective. Did he serve? In a combat unit?
I find this statement to be extremely offensive.
Actually I have to STOP right this second.

 

[madmixerman]

I blame the parents and also violent video games. The parents aren't strick enough nowadays. Video games where you shoot people and hit reset is Definitely not how it is in real life. They must be taught this and most parents don't want to. My son was taught at a young age while groundhog hunting and what a headshot looked like and he knows there is no coming back from this.