IMR 4166 and shooting Hornady 125gr 30 caliber - HELP

[Steve Nicholas]

I have Hornady 125 grain 30 caliber bullets and IMR 4166 powder. I want to load and shoot in my TC Contender with a 30-30 Winchester barrel.

I don't have a loading manual that lists IMR 4166 for any 30 caliber bullets... I guess that I just have "old" manuals.. My 8lb. container of 4166 indicates it is good for 30-30....

Can someone here help?

Steve Nicholas

 

[karrarararararar]

No data on 125's, but they have data for 140-170gr.

Reloading Data Center

www.hodgdonreloading.com

 

[rwj]

Is the 30TC designed to withstand the same chamber pressure as a 30-30 WIN?

 

[WVRJ]

Go to Shooter's Reference.If the data's out there,they will have it.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Drop about 15 percent from the Varget load for starters - but watch carefully for pressure. As It's a double based powder, It pressure spikes fairly quickly and there is no point continuing when the first signs of pressure appear. I have good results from a 6BR and only unhappiness with the 308, with pressure signs appearing at lower velocities than I expected. I'm sure that you know that 4166 has been discontinued...but we do have to use up what we have. I got best accuracy with the BR at 28.5g and 3 thou neck tension, with 105g Sierra's

 

[lb-ft]

30 TC data is NOT interchangeable with 30-30 data. Two completely different animals. For one, TC runs much higher pressure than the 120+ year old 30-30 cartridge.

4166 is a bit on the slow burning side for 30-30. Best bet is the common light bullet 223 powders such as 322, 335, 748, 2015, 3031, etc.

My favorite is H322.

 

[Steve Nicholas]

30 TC data is NOT interchangeable with 30-30 data. Two completely different animals. For one, TC runs much higher pressure than the 120+ year old 30-30 cartridge.

4166 is a bit on the slow burning side for 30-30. Best bet is the common light bullet 223 powders such as 322, 335, 748, 2015, 3031, etc.

My favorite is H322.

I just found a burn rate chart that listed IMR 4166 as (#100) and IMR 4064 as (#101). Can't I just substitute the data for IMR 4064??

Steve Nicholas

 

[KMart]

I just found a burn rate chart that listed IMR 4166 as (#100) and IMR 4064 as (#101). Can't I just substitute the data for IMR 4064??

Steve Nicholas

The below info is for the 140 gr on the Hodgdon site. They are EXACTLY the same in the 30-30

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	Grs.	Vel. (ft/s)	Pressure
	IMR	IMR 4064	OUT OF STOCK	0.308"	2.550"		26.0	1,909	30,600 PSI		30.0C	2,209	41,000 PSI
	IMR	IMR 4166	OUT OF STOCK	0.308"	2.550"		26.0	1,826	30,300 PSI		30.0C	2,134	41,100 PSI

Below is for the 130 grain.

IMR

IMR 4064

OUT OF STOCK

0.308"

2.540"

33.3

2,196

27,200 CUP

35.5C

2,424

37,300 CUP

If I wanted to shoot 4166, I would start about 34 grains and work up.
Just my 2 cents

 

[Zero333]

125 gr are a hair to light for the 3030 with imr-4166... I can only help you with Quickload program generated data... PM Incoming...
There are TWO different 125 gr Hornady 30 cal bullets,.. The HP # 30192, and the SST # 3019. I'll send you data for both. Just Remember the SST is a longer bullet than the HP so it reaches max pressures sooner.

Besides the Private message I'm about to send here is data from Sierra and their 125 gr because IMR-4064 is extremely close to IMR-4166...

 

[fkimble@charter.net]

"I just found a burn rate chart that listed IMR 4166 as (#100) and IMR 4064 as (#101). Can't I just substitute the data for IMR 4064??"

NO! It doesn't work that way.

Ref the Hodgdon site data: that is a big jump in powder for a 10 grains difference in bullet weight!

Frank