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If You Had To Do It All Over Again?

FireMedic

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My old outdated reloading equipment is getting passed down and I'm getting ready to start all over from scratch. I'm going to be upgrading everything....Press, scales, ect. I've got some pretty good ideas on the equipment I'm going to go with but I was just wondering what all equipment you guys would buy if you were to start over from scratch? Here's kinda what I was thinking...

1.) RockChucker supreme press
2.) redding 3br powder measure
3.) sinclair/wilson micro trimmer
4.) rcbs 1010 scale
5.) frankford electric powder dribbler
6.) some kind of arbor press,undecided)
7.) rcbs tumbler
8.) sinclair priming and case prep tools


Let me know what you guys think about this equipment and what you think is the best equipment you can buy.
 
A case tumbler is necessary, and while I can't recommend a brand, I can say that I'm not pleased with Midway's - the construction is shoddy and breaks down often,the lifetime warranty on mine is necessary, but current models have a 2-year warranty). I tumble with walnut before sizing to remove deposits and with cob afterwards to remove lube and to polish.

My favorite single-stage press is the Hornady Lock 'N Load - it's a strong O-frame design and the Lock 'N Load bushings make die changes very fast.

I like the Hornady New Dimension sizing die because the elliptical expander works very well - no runout problems, so I can decap, size and expand in one step,many do this as three separate operations). Imperial sizing die wax is the best lube on the market, making the sizing fast and uniform,be sure to lube inside case necks to get uniform expansion).

Since I shoot 3-4,000 rounds a year, I use a Gracey trimmer,would probably buy a Giraud now) and Gracey neck shaver. The Giraud carbide cutter makes the trimmer work much better. I set them up side by side and can produce 250-300 rounds of trimmed, chamfered and neck turned brass an hour. I uniform primer pockets using a Sinclair carbide tool and deburr flash holes with a RCBS tool, both chucked in a cordless drill - I use the uniformer to clean primer pockets because it does a better job of getting into the corners than a brush.

Primer seating is very individual. I prefer the Sinclair tool since it has the best feel of anything on the market, but it costs $100. Any of the hand tools is superior to using your press which has far too much leverage. I don't like the auto-feed tools because an accident that sets off a primer could set off a very dangerous chain reaction,primers are high explosives)! The RCBS hand priming tool that uses APS strips is good once the spring that tensions the ram is replaced with a lighter one,I think the one I scrounged is for the AR-15 buffer retaining pin), otherwise you can't feel the primer seat. You can buy empty primer strips and refill them easily with the RCBS tool, so you're not limited to CCI primers.

Instead of a powder measure, I use the PACT/RCBS PowderMaster/PowderPro dispenser and scale combination. I push a button to dispense a charge while I seat the bullet over the last charge; this is a fast as using a measure and gives me a charge weighed to +/- 0.1 gr every time. The downside of this scale is that the reading doesn't change until the weight varies by 0.4 gr; this makes manual trickling a pain since you have to bump the pan to get a new reading. I use the charge as measured to 600 and trickle for 800-1000. The original measure wasn't very fast, but the latest generation,beginning in mid-2003) dispenses in half the time. If you come across an old one it can be upgraded for ~$75. Today I'd get the RCBS ChargeMaster - it's faster yet.

The Redding and Forster Competition Seaters are equally good, so get whichever you prefer. Either will have problems with heavily compressed loads although the Forster is more durable and less expensive, but you may want to get another seater to handle them. However, accuracy usually suffers when the powder is compressed, so this may be a non-issue for you.

You'll also need some measuring equipment to set up your dies properly. A couple of dial calipers are handy, especially since you'll probably tie one up with a Stoney Point bullet comparator to measure seating depth. A Stoney Point OAL gauge is a great way to determine where the lands are so you can seat bullets to the right length. A Sinclair concentricity gauge is useful to measure runout, and is probably the easiest design to use. The RCBS Precision Micrometer is the best way to measure case length to size properly for your chamber, although a Stoney Point case length comparator on dial calipers is nearly as convenient.

There will be some miscellaneous items you'll want as well. Reloading blocks help you keep operations organized and prevent powder spills. A collet-type bullet puller will let you recycle many of your mistakes. A primer tray is handy to get them all facing right way up. A powder funnel is necessary, and one that incorporates a 6" drop tube will let you get more powder in the case. A chronograph is very useful,I like the CED Millenium), especially in combination with good ballistics software package,Shooting Lab by RSI is head and shoulders beyond anything else available at a reasonable price); this is especially true for long-range load development,>600 yards).
 
I have a brand new 10-10 scale and its a POS. Theres a guy who tunes up RCBS scales. I need to send mine to him. Either buy one from him or get a Redding.

Cant go wrong with either a Rockchucker or a Redding Boss.

Just about any powder measure will do but the Redding is probably the best bet. You dont gain anything with the more expensive ones.

I like Lee primer tools but any of the hand held units work well.

The most under-rated tool is the cheap Lee case trimmers. They make quick work of case trimming with a cordless drill. Even better when combined with a case holder sold by Andrew McCourt.

Jeff
 
FM
I think the reloading industry is covered with quality equipment. Everything you listed is top cabin. Appears you are gearing up for varmint loads. The tumbler is not a necessary item but if you like equipment go ahead. Nothing wrong with a 100% RCBS set-up when you can. For a arbor press you might look at the Hood, great at the range. You could reduce your cost with a RCBS Partner Press.
Money could be your determining factor but even if on a budget you will still get good equipment.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
Firemedic I would suggest an alternative to tumbling brass. It just isn't necessary anymore with the cleaning solutions that are on the market.
 
Depending on how many rounds you load, a good press is the Dillon RL550B for $379. They have over 160 conversion kits for just about any caliber. Plus you get a very accurate powder measure included. You can also use it single stage too.,LIFETIME NO "BS" WARRANTY) You can also check out the new electric case trimmer they sell that mounts on the press.

Hope this helps,
Zach Hightower
 
I like everything that you have listed with the exception of the RCBS tumbler. The Thumbler's Tumbler Ultra Vibe 18 has 1/4 of the noise of the RCBS and will out last you.

I use a RCBS case trimmer with a 1/2" drill on the shaft for fast trimming and a Wilson for precision work.

I prefer the Bonanza/Forester dies when ever I can use them over the Redding. The Bonanza has a great neck sizer that will bump shoulders, you can not bump shoulders with the Redding, you have to use the Redding full length sizer and lube the cases. It is amazing how much you can use a shoulder bump die instead of full length sizing.

In as far as a scale, you should check out the Denver/Ainsworth scale...it is light years ahead of all the others. It weights to the .001g and rounds to the 0.01 as fast as you can pick up a bullet and replace it with another.

Stick with a rock chucker if you have one.

Go for it dude, you are on the right track!
 
Harrel combo press, Harrel measure, Wilson seater dies, Redding FL "s" dies, K&M primer seater and neck turner, RCBS powder dispensor and scale, I use a Midway tumbler and never had problems.

Mike
 
Forester co-ax press, RCBS combo electronic powder measure, keep beam scale for saftey checks and Wilson micro case trimmer.
 
A case tumbler is not necessary. I would not put my Lapua brass in a tumbler.

I noticed the old rockcrusherII press is better made than the new RCBS press. So look into that.

Good luck, have fun
 
Wouldn't be without a tumbler. Working with that shiny clean brass seems to make the rest of the process that much more gratifying.
JMHO
 
FireMedic said:
1.) RockChucker supreme press - Any decent press will do although if you load for multiple chamberings a Redding T-7 with some extra toolheads could save you a fair amount of time fiddling with dies.

2.) redding 3br powder measure - I use coarse stick powders, I have a Redding BR powder measure, I use the RCBS Chargemaster.

3.) sinclair/wilson micro trimmer - YES

4.) rcbs 1010 scale - Nice scale but...see 2

5.) frankford electric powder dribbler - see 2

6.) some kind of arbor press,undecided) - only if you are using in line dies like Wilsons otherwise you have no use for it.

7.) rcbs tumbler - whatever works, Dillons are nice.

8.) sinclair priming and case prep tools - if you plan on turning necks look at the Pumpkin or Stillers neck turners. I like the Sinclair carbide primer pocket uniformers, they get chucked up in a small benchtop drill press. The Sinclair neck thickness gauge is very nice, especially with their new pilots. The Sinclair cocentricity gauge is nice. The Lee priming tool works just fine and you don't have to handle the primers one at a time.


Let me know what you guys think about this equipment and what you think is the best equipment you can buy.
 

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