IBS rules and Farley front rests.

[Alex Wheeler]

Haha, JRS you don't read too good, do you? He didn't set me straight. He was not refering to me. When did I say anything about a seb rest? I have never even seen one. He was referring to mikecr's post on page one of this thread. I am here asking questions. not making accusations. I own a Farley with edgewood bag, all stock. It does not meet IBS rules. I know now I just have to shim up the bag a little or make a new top. I removed my reply on BRC because I replied to seb directly with my name and he did not reply to me so I figured I'd just butt out of their topic. But I see now that he did respond.

BTW, I don't believe I pissed any one off.

Alex Wheeler

 

[Alex Wheeler]

The bag itself has to be at least 1/2" thick vertically. Your Edgewood bag doesn't measure 1/2" in thickness?

You do not understand the rules.

 

[LHSmith]

Haha, JRS you don't read too good, do you? He didn't set me straight. He was not refering to me. When did I say anything about a seb rest? I have never even seen one. He was referring to mikecr's post on page one of this thread. I am here asking questions. not making accusations. I own a Farley with edgewood bag, all stock. It does not meet IBS rules. I know now I just have to shim up the bag a little or make a new top. I removed my reply on BRC because I replied to seb directly with my name and he did not reply to me so I figured I'd just butt out of their topic. But I see now that he did respond.

BTW, I don't believe I pissed any one off.

Alex Wheeler

It was Charles E. that pissed off Seb...and myself because he called us both liars....I HAVE A FARLEY GEN.I with a 2-1/4" and a 3" EDGEWOOD BAG ....and Both set-up's give me ~3/4" between stock and any rest metal. If you go to Farley's website it clearly shows a GEN.II with ~ 3/4" height above the metal sides. I CAN read a measure..it's part of my livelyhood. Chas.E (who pointed out he has 30 IBS points) claims I and Seb are wrong.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

LHSMITH,
I believe you. I have no reason not to. So the variation is in the bags. Either height wise or fill wise. For me to get that much clearance I'd have to pack my bag round. How tight do you fill your bags?

 

[LHSmith]

Let's see if I can explain this....I fill them so that the ears have their full form.....sand to top of ears, and the flat of the bag remains firm...yet flat, not rounded. The sand seems to want to settle down from the ears and start to make the bag where the rifle sets round, so periodically I squeeze the sand back into the ears. Remember I switch from a hunter bag to a 3" bag often, which may account for some of this settling.
The other variation could be in the Farley tops. There could have been numerous design changes and recent pics I have seen leads me to believe Farley may do design variations to various Farley dealers individual specs.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Ok,
Sounds like how I have mine filled too. Any ways this went from a mole hill to a mountain. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[JRS]

You missed the post by the lady LH. It was posted and removed before you and Charles posted. When SEB made the reference to the person without a real name, he was responding to zfastmalibu.

I assure you zfastmalibu, I understand the rules. If your bag is 1/2" in thickness vertically, you have no problem, do you? That is, unless the bag is not sitting on the rest ;D. You didn't say anything about the SEB rest in particular, but rather the Farley. SEB was responding to the comments about not only his rest, but also the Farley rest. You might not realize this, but, SEB is also a member on this site along with BRC, and reads the posts here also. Reread your earlier posts.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

You missed the post by the lady LH. It was posted and removed before you and Charles posted. When SEB made the reference to the person without a real name, he was responding to zfastmalibu.

I assure you zfastmalibu, I understand the rules. If your bag is 1/2" in thickness vertically, you have no problem, do you? That is, unless the bag is not sitting on the rest ;D. You didn't say anything about the SEB rest in particular, but rather the Farley. SEB was responding to the comments about not only his rest, but also the Farley rest. You might not realize this, but, SEB is also a member on this site along with BRC, and reads the posts here also. Reread your earlier posts.

Actually you are wrong. My only post on BRC was number 7, after seb made the no name refence. As you can see he knew my name in post 9. Seb if your reading please chime in.

And having a 1/2'' thick bag will leave you with a problem since it sits inside a bag holder and the rules state.

''Any part of the rifle resting there on must maintain a minimum of onehalf
inch distance from any part of the retainer or container holding the sand bag
on which the rifle rests.''

 

[LHSmith]

You missed the post by the lady LH.

?????
I happen to know LH .......and HE ain't NO LADY!.....never was....never will be....even if the Universal Health Care Act allows for it to happen, and all you taxpayers pay for it.

 

[JRS]

You missed the post by the lady LH.

?????
I happen to know LH .......and HE ain't NO LADY!.....never was....never will be....even if the Universal Health Care Act allows for it to happen, and all you taxpayers pay for it.

Wasn't talking about you LH. zfastmalibu shows female status :-\

 

[JRS]

You really are struggling with the comprehension zfastmalibu. When your stock is on the bag, and the bottom of your stock is a minimum of 1/2" above the top of the rest plate, you are good to go. So, if your bag is at least 1/2" thick through the vertical and horizontal areas of the bag..........

 

[seb]

Gentlemen,
I have to say that I can't comment for other rest(s) as it's not my business & I don't know exactly about them.
For you that want to check your top & bag combination (i.e if they would conform the rules), the easiest way perhaps just put your rifle on the top/bag then find a small piece of 1/2" thick plywood (or so, any 1/2" thick materials), if the block touches the top/container & the stock when you slip or slide it in between them that means your top&bag combination aren't "ok", if there is still gap in between that's conform the 1/2" requirement.
No need to be "too complicated" on this matter.

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Alex, no I'm not referring to you. It's someone else (i.e. mikecr. Sorry to call name here) that made the statement that my latest NEO doesn't meet the rules. I think he was just referring to the old photo in the bulletin, which was a prototype rest-bags (not the current production rest-bags).
I only hope he doesn't give inaccurate statement about my rest in the future.
But again, I am open to critism or even negative feedback as long as it's true. I can learn from issue or mistake(s) & always want my products to be as good as possible.
And no, either you or CharlesE or others didn't piss me off.

Hope this clear the confusions.

seb.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

You really are struggling with the comprehension zfastmalibu. When your stock is on the bag, and the bottom of your stock is a minimum of 1/2" above the top of the rest plate, you are good to go. So, if your bag is at least 1/2" thick through the vertical and horizontal areas of the bag..........

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The stock must a 1/2'' from ANY part of the rest. Insulting someone on a forum is easy. I don't think you 'd be so rude in person. Just quit, your embarrassing yourself. I'm done with the pissing match.
Thanks Seb.
Good shooting.
Alex

 

[JRS]

Had my email answered by the IBS Vice President.
The method of measurement as I stated is correct. It can be accomplished a few different ways. For those interested, look through the photo gallery on the IBS web site. You can clearly see, many of the gun/rest combos appear to be in violation of the rule. If you happen to shoot a potential record, your target will be closely guarded and measured, your gun will again be weighed, and in the interim, you will have stowed away the rest of your shooting gear, to include your rest. Pretty well sums it up!

 

[LHSmith]

JRS.......Sure does.....If Ms. "Malibu" wins a LR IBS event and pisses some guy off who files a protest against her equipment, she'd better hope the IBS VP is there.....or at least she should present a copy of this post to the hardcore refs;D

 

[mikecr]

Seb, you're welcome to call me out by name, as I did you.
You're right in that the context of my example related directly to 'those linked' rests -as pictured.
I personally have a Farley, and like your rest features also, probably as much as anyone.
I also agree with your go/no-go measure, as it truly seems just that.

Didn't read the BRC posts, don't care to. Seems a simple rule to follow regardless of rest.

 

[4xforfun]

We went round and round on this topic over at BR central. It does not matter if your bag is 1/2 inch tall. What matters is the "container" and it's definition. The "container" Is any part of the rest that holds the front bag. The metal straps that hold the bag onto the front rest are considered part of the "container". My straps on my various Hart setups, there are two, one on the front and one on the back...each is held in place by four ellen head screws, are fairly thick...maybe 1/4 inch thick. The bottom of your gun stock must be at least 1/2 inch ABOVE those straps, since the straps are deemed part of the container. You better have more than a 1/2 inch bag!!

I didn't want to chance being scrutinized by the REST POLICE at this years IBS 1K nationals...being the defending champion and all, so I shimmed all of my front rests to make dam sure I was in compliance. It has ZERO affect on accuracy, took all of 30 min to do two rests, and I have the piece of mind.

To test I simply grabbed a 1/2 inch nut and placed it on the Highest point on the"container" and under the stock while the gun was solidly in the rest. If it fits without touching the stock you are good to go. Do this and you will know.

Tod

 

[johara1]

Tod, you are right,you can not take a chance. The SEB neo does not pass with the fore end stop mount on the front and level on the back. We went round and round about this. If it's legal for IBS they all are, the mount for the fore end stop is very close too the fore end like about 1/4". You can't shim the bag up the way they are made......jim

 

[JRS]

There really is a simple solution for anyone worried about the rule. Though the hold down bar IS the top of the plate, you don't have to utilize it. Remove it, glue a piece of velcro to the plate itself, and a piece to the bottom of the bag. You will have removed about 1/4" in thickness from the plate, and, will gain roughly 1/8" in elevation on your bag ;D BTW, the bag isn't going to move once the velcro is in place.

 

[johara1]

JRS, Sounds but,it won't work. Your side plates attach to the hold down bars. I milled out the front bar to lower the fore end stop attachment plate. Now everything is legal........ jim