ibs question

[johara1]

You guys missed my point. In IBS at a range that does not have active pits, you sight in on clay birds on the berm. "IF" you were able to see your first record shot you would either be on your way to keep running them, or IF you did not care about group, you could move your point of aim to center up your follow on shoots. It has nothing to do with group size, but an advantage if you are hunting for high score. Now who the heck needs a camera. The enclosed group was shot by Chip Willing this afternoon just for fun. 50/3x 1.113" by sighting in on clays at the 627 yard berm then shooting this group at 600, 6.5x47. Have to come down about 3/4 min. He is not even shooting the match tomorrow. He is our statistician! SteveView attachment 1027012

So what are you trying to say? Nobody to this point needs a camera or electronic targets that only go one decimal place when you need three. Plus who is to say the face you are shooting on is centered? Reade has them and they will not cut it for BR...... the IBS record group at 600 yds. is a 50 and a group size .336 so you need to be able to measure in .001 increments. Plus you need sight in target and a record target, so how do you do this with one electronic target? Jim

 

[people]

I recently answered a shooter question that wanted to buy a scope that could see 6mm bullet holes in a target at 600 yards. I answered, there are no scopes able to do that consistently and if there were, we would all have one at almost any cost. Shoot in central FL, mirage. The very best scopes, on days with ideal conditions, you can sometimes see 6mm holes in the white. In the blue very seldom. Hey, here's an idea, have a special class for shooters that need or want to see their bullet holes. They could call it short range or score matches.

Maybe some day when all ranges have cameras or E-targets, the rules may change. But for now it just would not be fair for some to have and others not.

Steve

Life is not fair. If a range can afford them then why not? Same thing with using a silencer. Just because some cannot all must be punished?

 

[dmoran]

@johara1 -
Your problem is lack of imagination....lol... any thing can be built and/or modified.
There is many ways and scenario's that could be implemented and used.
Here's a scenario for ya:
1 - screens/cameras ON for Sight-In <> OFF (or blocked) for Record Target <> separate targets
( 1A - possibility of being turned back on after Cease-Fire of the Record target for a quick view )
2 - Record targets come off and go to score personale, then imaged and/or scanned <> software measures & scores the targets <> groups and scores uploaded to web based scoring <> the paper targets still come back to the line and distributed.
3 - view our results, relay assignments, target images, etc... all in live real time on our cells, tablets, or internet devices, with each target imaged and group co-ordinances (X/Y).

The live pits aspect without actual pit duty being the biggest appeal, that I totally believe would/will increase participation, and make LR Benchrest more enjoyable, appealing, and more of a spectator orientated sport !.!.!

Basically what we have, but technically advancing it.... is what I want and foresee.
Donovan

 

[johara1]

@johara1 -
Your problem is lack of imagination....lol... any thing can be built and/or modified.
There is many ways and scenario's that could be implemented and used.
Here's a scenario for ya:
1 - screens/cameras ON for Sight-In <> OFF (or blocked) for Record Target <> separate targets
( 1A - possibility of being turned back on after Cease-Fire of the Record target for a quick view )
2 - Record targets come off and go to score personale, then imaged and/or scanned <> software measures & scores the targets <> groups and scores uploaded to web based scoring <> the paper targets still come back to the line and distributed.
3 - view our results, relay assignments, target images, etc... all in live real time on our cells, tablets, or internet devices, with each target imaged and group co-ordinances (X/Y).

The live pits aspect without actual pit duty being the biggest appeal, that I totally believe would/will increase participation, and make LR Benchrest more enjoyable, appealing, and more of a spectator orientated sport !.!.!

Basically what we have, but technically advancing it.... is what I want and foresee.
Donovan

Donovan, You still need people to run them up and down and replace the targets you hang on them. Plus all the work hanging the electronic targets and hooking all the wiring up. Like I said before Reade has them for XTC and F class but can't measure the groups so they are worthless for Bench Rest...... they still only measure to a .100....... Jim

 

[johara1]

One other point as you can see on the threads E target report card, Reade has the best set up going and with the big money for them they are still not good enough for bench rest. I'm sure if a E target comes out that is better nobody could afford them......... Jim

 

[dmoran]

@johara1 -
Once again your limiting your imagination and not looking to what is all available.
Obviously the system (Hexta) at Reade was not put in for Benchrest was it?
Nor does Hexta software support LR-Benchrest at all does it?
I could care less what Reade has or about there acoustic score system.
This thread and what I've wrote is of camera & image systems for IBS, not HP acoustic score targets.
But, an acoustic system could work good for a Sight-In target scenario.
Below is a measurement example of one type of image system capability.

 

[johara1]

yes it is and if it was really good and without flaws the group shooters would flock to it and the second thing is any record would have to be verified by the records committee.

There camera system was tried at Harry Jones one time and it wasn't legal then, but like anything else it could just take a few to change that, this not something new....... Jim

 

[holstil]

For now, camera systems don't need to be used for scoring. I think it will intensify the game. Imagine monitors in view for shooters and spectators to see targets being shot live. You don't need the exact score or group size to create excitement.

The decision to blow a group to save a score adds another dimension.
Or, one of my favorites, owning up to a public Dairy Queen

Once it becomes a spectators sport things could change, bigger or more prizes for one.

 

[johara1]

Can you realize the expense for a club to have these? most use clay birds so you would never see the target. For pits that have pull targets it would be worthless as you use spotters. And you open the door to cheating, no communication between the pit and the line and only to the range officer...... Jim