IBS 2022 Agenda Items and Score Com. Online voting
- Thread starter David 0306
- Start date
jcline
Silver $$ Contributor
The vote results are in and will be announced after the conference call tonight. The online voting will allow the 1 year trial period as required in the bylaws and in the fall there will be a paper ballot mailed out to vote on the officers that are up for election this year and the agenda items that passed this years electronic vote. If they are voted in by paper ballot they will become permanent at that time.
I want to thank you so much for clarifying this question keep up the good work.
I was under the impression that online voting had been passed by IBS. It was passed in like...2011 or so by an attending group at the annual meeting. I'm sorry Jim, but why is a paper ballot needed at all? In all seriousness, I hope you don't say "election fraud". Why else, please? It would seem that online voting gives a far wider chance for members to vote, either way, on a rule change or even officers, than paper ballots. This, IMO, should be final but I'm curious as to why it isn't. When I think about it more, this paper ballot thing only allows time to organize a movement against what the actual membership voted for and passed. I'm being hopeful for an answer that covers these potential issues. Remember, I WAS an IBS member and I might have had something to do with the online voting rule being passed. I've been around a while now, so I've seen the way things USE to be and I'm hopeful that they are improved. I hope that they truly are and that there is a good reason why online membership voting isn't enough.
Last edited:
Is my question "off limits" or is it just being ignored...for some other reason? I had to address the real issue a bit more discretely to get to the goal of online voting the last time. I was hoping that we could all be more forthright about it this time. This needs to be cleared publicly. It really shouldn't be a big deal at all.
All this has me a little chapped because I was about to re-new my membership with IBS, as they have touted that they FINALLY implemented online voting. I now see that..that depends on paper ballots. I'm more than a little concerned, after it taking 10 years or more for the org to implement a rule that the ATTENDING (at annual meeting) membership voted on and passed online voting. Now, I find that they have a paper ballot caveat! Something just smells bad. It may be fine but I've not gotten an answer as of yet to my question.
One thing that I can say is that, I won't just go away.
UBR was started in 2011, in part, because of this exact kinda thing. It grew and is growing in the southeast, as well as other parts of the country. UBR has very little of this kinda politics.
Go figure...A northeast org elects a vp from the southeast right after UBR starts up and is growing..in the southeast! Come on man! Don't be their pawn! Fix what's wrong and make BR better for all of us.
Last edited:
My opinion probably don’t mean much but that’s the very reason why we need a paper ballot to validate everyone’s intent I strongly believe a paper ballot with a signature is solid on what the shooters want.
Why?
Are you afraid of Chinese or Russian election interference in IBS voting? One other reason, please. Online only gives every member a voice. Why does there need to be a re-affirmation of members by paper ballot?
I will only say one thing stay tuned.
Oh, I'm tuned and watching! I truly hope it turns around from how it is presented. I'm pro ibs and pro shooting, in general. I love br and all I want is the best for it..period.
So far you are the only one complaining and you aren't even a member. Just join and go through the process to change the rules to online voting. They are probably going by the way the rules are written. Mr. Clines phone # has been posted on here many times .
Ok hope this helps everyone understand . Before online voting a agenda Item was voted on by members that attended the Annual Meeting. Sometime 20 sometimes 100. The online voting is only for agenda items that where presented. For the annual meeting for a one year trail if they pass the online vote.
The paper vote is the vote that says yes we tried them for a year and to officially add the to the rule book. The paper ballots process hasn't changex just the Annual meeting votes on agendia item and committees.
Hope this helps
David
Results will be posted on the IBS webpage tommorrow.
The paper vote is the vote that says yes we tried them for a year and to officially add the to the rule book. The paper ballots process hasn't changex just the Annual meeting votes on agendia item and committees.
Hope this helps
David
Results will be posted on the IBS webpage tommorrow.
It does David. Thank you for answering my question.
jcline
Silver $$ Contributor
4. Proxy voting on Temporary Rules: At the time the ballots for election of IBS Executive Officers are mailed to the membership, the temporary rules are to be forwarded with said ballot. These temporary 1 Amended from “July” at the January 2012 IBS Annual Meeting. IBS By-Laws January 2012 4 rules will include a recommendation (for or against) based on the investigation of the proper committee. The membership shall, at the time of receiving their ballot, vote for or against making each temporary rule permanent.
MIke,
I hope you understand elected officials have a set of guidelines that have to be followed. In the IBS it is our By-laws and they CLEARLY say exactly the process that HAS to be followed. As and elected officer of this organization, It's my duty to make sure they are followed 100%. If you or any OTHER IBS member are not happy with this process, you can change it by goint through an agenda item/by-law change. If you would like to know how that is done, please don't hesitate to call me and I will happily explain it. Thanks JC
Hi Jim! I'll call ya shortly. Thank you for the reply.
JamesinAsheville
Silver $$ Contributor
there's so much cheating that it makes me sick... grow up and shoot and if you can't beat the next guy then too bad
I think that the great, great, great majority of people in the sport of benchrest are outstanding individuals, that I'm proud to call many of, my friends. But yes, cheating does rarely happen, even here.
That brings up a question...
Do cheaters make rules or do rules make cheaters?
BTW...Jim Cline and the other officers are doing a lot of good things to make things better for all. We have discussed the aforementioned issue and it is being addressed but the bylaws prevent them from going full blown online voting unless the membership votes to change the bylaws, to allow such.
So, if you believe it's all as it should be, as is..so be it. If you think that it's a redundancy that serves no purpose(paper ballots), then it must be addressed by the membership.
I have no strong opinion on it except to say that, I think when the members voted for online voting rather than attending the annual meeting to cast a vote...or by proxy..that they MIGHT have intended for the rule to go a little further than the bylaws allow. That's all.
Ultimately, both issues have to be voted up or down. The rule for online voting was passed by the membership but apparently, it leaves the bylaw aspect unaddressed. That's how I understand it anyway.
So the question becomes...does the current rule fulfill the intent and vote of the membership as is or was the intent to take it to the point of no more paper ballots nor attendance at the annual meeting to vote.
That's my fairest analysis of where the issue is at this moment. One could understandably wonder why this wasn't addressed in the years that have passed since the vote or even why it wasn't brought up at that very time. Nevertheless, this appears to be where things are with online voting.
If I'm wrong about anything I've said, I'm open to correction. Hopefully this does not come across as a complaint against anyone, but a statement that, I tried to be very unbiased about while making. It appears that, it is what it is until it's different.
Mike, look at the paragraph you just wrote and tell me how the online voting that just happened did NOT do exactly what you are saying: I have no strong opinion on it except to say that, I think when the members voted for online voting rather than attending the annual meeting to cast a vote...or by proxy..that they MIGHT have intended for the rule to go a little further than the bylaws allow. That's all.
The online voting allowed me to vote on the issues without having to be present at the annual meeting. The issues voted on are going to have a one year trial and will be voted on by a mail in ballot that is mailed out to every IBS member next fall to be filled out and returned to be tabulated. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, it seems like what you want to happen is in fact happening???
Unless you are talking about allowing online voting next fall instead of the mail in? Is that it?
I'm relatively new to this organized shooting thing, like 9 years deep or so but every approved long range proposal that I've been aware of has had a one season trial and then voted on again at the end of that year to make it official and permanent.
The online voting allowed me to vote on the issues without having to be present at the annual meeting. The issues voted on are going to have a one year trial and will be voted on by a mail in ballot that is mailed out to every IBS member next fall to be filled out and returned to be tabulated. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, it seems like what you want to happen is in fact happening???
Unless you are talking about allowing online voting next fall instead of the mail in? Is that it?
I'm relatively new to this organized shooting thing, like 9 years deep or so but every approved long range proposal that I've been aware of has had a one season trial and then voted on again at the end of that year to make it official and permanent.
tom
Gold $$ Contributor
It seems to me that the on line voting is doing exactly what it was intended. You have the ability, at your convenience, to vote on agendas for a few weeks immediately following the meeting, without having to travel to the meeting. The following year's mail out leaves no one out, it never did, and hasn't been changed.....I guess I can't see the rub here.
Tom
Tom
Upgrades & Donations
This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.
Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.
You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.
To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.
Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.
You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.
To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.