I would like to propose an idea

[The boogalorian]

This is not the first forum I have joined. I used to race rc cars. I belonged to a forum that like here was a great resource for beginners and experts alike. The community was always eager to help, the pro's offered advise to those that purchased their products. Manufacturers could receive feedback on their products and offer assistance when needed.

Yes, much like this site it also had some issues. One of which was the asking of simple questions that had been asked a thousand times before which would then be quickly followed by a response that might be helpful and and courteous or short and rude, but would undoubtedly either answer would include the sage advise of "use the search function".

Now some subjects change with time, so a thread started 2 years ago might be out of date. But there are some subjects that might be more durable. And this is where I would propose an idea.

The rc car site I was a part of had a system of "official" threads. This is where a member, sometimes a manufacture's rep or "pro" would start a thread on say a new product. This thread is where most all conversations pertaining to this car/radio/tires/electronics would take place. The member who started the thread would maintain the 1st post to contain all the latest information pertaining to the product, including part numbers, videos, pictures, pro setups, modification tips and many other things. This is a honor to have the first post, as well as a responsibility because it requires a bit of work to maintain.

Here is an example of a thread that I had the honor of starting.

https://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-off-road/761022-tlr-22-4-thread.html

I maintained it for 2 years.

The advantage of this is that any newbie who purchased a new 22-4 kit could read the first post and get 90% of their questions answered. Any remaining questions could be posted on the thread and any of the devoted followers of the thread could quickly chime in with the answer.

My proposal, could some dedicate members of this forum perhaps start threads for different cartridges?

Perhaps it could contain different bullet and powder suggestions, freebore suggestions, maybe brass forming tutorials, part numbers for dies or where to get brass or any other relevant info.

The bulletin at accurate shooter is awesome, but many of the pages on different cartridges are not up to date.

This site has some very passionate and knowledgeable members. I think this might help consolidate some of the discussions and make the search function more useful.

Just a thought. Thanks for your time. Hope I didn't waste it.

 

[Forum Boss]

We do have some "sticky" threads on the top of the sub-forum. That works for important repeat topics. The problem with fixed threads like this is that they push everything down, so if you have more than a few, people don't see the new threads. Particularly with smart-phones (50% of readers) you have very limited vertical space.

You'll see in the "Big Stuff" category, we have Sticky threads for 300WSM and 7WSM. It might be good to have a .284 Win and .284 Improved thread.

In the 6BR + Improved sub-forum, we have standing threads for 6BR, for Dasher, and for 30BR.

What cartridges would you like to see covered?

 

[The boogalorian]

We do have some "sticky" threads on the top of the sub-forum. That works for important repeat topics. The problem with fixed threads like this is that they push everything down, so if you have more than a few, people don't see the new threads. Particularly with smart-phones (50% of readers) you have very limited vertical space.

You'll see in the "Big Stuff" category, we have Sticky threads for 300WSM and 7WSM. It might be good to have a .284 Win and .284 Improved thread.

In the 6BR + Improved sub-forum, we have standing threads for 6BR, for Dasher, and for 30BR.

What cartridges would you like to see covered?

It would be problematic to sticky each cartridge as you rightly point out. But if a member had a particular devotion to a cartridge they could start the "official" thread, not necessarily a sticky, and maintain the first post. This would likely be the first result in any search for information and hopefully be the most informative. Also this might reduce the number of repeat threads, as well as consolidate information so someone might not have to pour thru 10 pages of search results to find specific information.

 

[garandman]

Any data on any given cartridge really doesn't have much value in a universal sense ...each individual barrel / shooter / handload / etc Is going to introduce literally hundreds of variables which cannot adequately be accounted for. There is no substitute for doing your own homework.

 

[1shot]

Well @Forum Boss, since you asked. I like your idea of a 284/284 imp. sub category. There are plenty of shooters that use this cartridge.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd

 

[Forum Boss]

Any data on any given cartridge really doesn't have much value in a universal sense ...each individual barrel / shooter / handload / etc Is going to introduce literally hundreds of variables which cannot adequately be accounted for. There is no substitute for doing your own homework.

On the other hand, some things are pretty well established. Case in point, a new 6BR shooter could spend weekends and 100s of rounds of barrel life doing inconclusive OCW testing... or he/she could start with a 105gr bullet, 29.5 grains of Varget and be way ahead of the game. That's what I did, and the first measured 4-shot load from the gun (rounds 15-18) went into a 0.168. I did end up at 30.3, and fiddled a bit with seating depth, but there was no need to re-invent the wheel.

I see a lot of new shooters, particularly the tactical guys, do a LOT of inconclusive and arguably meaningless load testing messing with multiple variables at the same time. I advocate finding your max charge, backing off half a grain (for a medium sized cartridge), and then experiementing with seating depth. If you are loading from a magazine, start .020" off.

 

[Mudder]

Any data on any given cartridge really doesn't have much value in a universal sense ...each individual barrel / shooter / handload / etc Is going to introduce literally hundreds of variables which cannot adequately be accounted for. There is no substitute for doing your own homework.

From your point of view, then, there would be no reason to have this website?

 

[garandman]

On the other hand, some things are pretty well established. Case in point, a new 6BR shooter could spend weekends and 100s of rounds of barrel life doing inconclusive OCW testing... or he/she could start with a 105gr bullet, 29.5 grains of Varget and be way ahead of the game. That's what I did, and the first measured 4-shot load from the gun (round 15-18) went into a 0.168. I did end up at 30.3, and fiddled a bit with seating depth, but there was no need to re-invent the wheel.

I see a lot of new shooters, particularly the tactical guys, do a LOT of inconclusive and arguably meaningless load testing messing with multiple variables at the same time. I advocate finding your max charge, backing off half a grain (for a medium sized cartridge), and then experiementing with seating depth. If you are loading from a magazine, start .020" off.

Every rule has its exceptions. 6.5 CM likes 140 gr Bergers and 41.5 gr H4350. Except where it doesnt.

0.020 off the lands is a good starting point... except where it isnt.

That's my experience. I would no more discount other people's experience thats different from mine then I would expect people to tell me my experience isn't what I've actually experienced.

If you choose to incorporate the OP 's suggestion I would certainly read the information with great interest. Thank you for providing this forum.

 

[garandman]

From your point of view, then, there would be no reason to have this website?

That would be reading more into my statement then what was intended or said. As well as ignoring my cash payment to sustain the forum.

 

[mike a]

I rarely use the search function because it's BORING! I want to talk to live people. Mike

 

[Lefty Trigger]

People can change the wording of their question and may not find answers in the search function. I'm all for having cartridge "sections" but man there is a LOT of different ones. The format now is easy to follow...

 

[Pwc]

There already exists a "similar threads" at the bottom of each...maybe add/modify the search for that dosplay?

 

[dgeesaman]

This is not the first forum I have joined. I used to race rc cars. I belonged to a forum that like here was a great resource for beginners and experts alike. The community was always eager to help, the pro's offered advise to those that purchased their products. Manufacturers could receive feedback on their products and offer assistance when needed.

Yes, much like this site it also had some issues. One of which was the asking of simple questions that had been asked a thousand times before which would then be quickly followed by a response that might be helpful and and courteous or short and rude, but would undoubtedly either answer would include the sage advise of "use the search function".

Now some subjects change with time, so a thread started 2 years ago might be out of date. But there are some subjects that might be more durable. And this is where I would propose an idea.

The rc car site I was a part of had a system of "official" threads. This is where a member, sometimes a manufacture's rep or "pro" would start a thread on say a new product. This thread is where most all conversations pertaining to this car/radio/tires/electronics would take place. The member who started the thread would maintain the 1st post to contain all the latest information pertaining to the product, including part numbers, videos, pictures, pro setups, modification tips and many other things. This is a honor to have the first post, as well as a responsibility because it requires a bit of work to maintain.

Here is an example of a thread that I had the honor of starting.

https://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-off-road/761022-tlr-22-4-thread.html

I maintained it for 2 years.

The advantage of this is that any newbie who purchased a new 22-4 kit could read the first post and get 90% of their questions answered. Any remaining questions could be posted on the thread and any of the devoted followers of the thread could quickly chime in with the answer.

My proposal, could some dedicate members of this forum perhaps start threads for different cartridges?

Perhaps it could contain different bullet and powder suggestions, freebore suggestions, maybe brass forming tutorials, part numbers for dies or where to get brass or any other relevant info.

The bulletin at accurate shooter is awesome, but many of the pages on different cartridges are not up to date.

This site has some very passionate and knowledgeable members. I think this might help consolidate some of the discussions and make the search function more useful.

Just a thought. Thanks for your time. Hope I didn't waste it.

I’ve seen this done where the content moderator doesn’t need to be a writer, they can simply provide a list of links to good articles (bulletin!) and existing threads, organized by subject. Much easier to maintain and does not burden the writer with choosing a side on the controversial topics.

So for example, I got into 6BRA this year. I was looking down”starting point” loads, bullets, and powders, and some well-meaning folks pointed me to the 6BRA loads thread. Which was two steps past where I needed to start.

If I made a master 6BRA thread, it would probably have a section on starting loads where mentions Berger 108s and 105 Hybrids, H4895 and Varget, and a reasonable starting load for each. Then below that, a link to the various threads that provide the full range of 6BRA loads.

Other possible sections: factory rifles available in the cartridge, brass suppliers and forming methods, competitors who have succeeded with it (brag list or champs and records), tuning/loading techniques, barrel and brass life discussions, accessory and die suppliers.

David

 

[wkdickinson]

My biggest complaint abut the "Search" function on this forum, is that there is no way to sort the results, or at least not that I have found. For example, if you search for "neck tension" it returns 7 pages with 133 threads, then each thread could have 1 to X no. pages of discussion. With no way to sort/filter the results, finding information about your specific question or need can be difficult to say the least. Given that what is universally accepted as "the right way" changes over time (because more testing creates a large knowledge base), it seems that either being able to sort/filter by when the thread was started or last contributed too, would enhance the value of the search function. But then again, like my old IT Manager used to say "we can do anything you want, given enough time and money".

 

[dgeesaman]

Another idea that I would find helpful:
Many technical terms in shooting and handloading are best explained using a good illustration or photos.

The books I own seem lacking in quantity and quality of these illustrations. Even a great picture tends to lose value when pushed to printed form.

A random list of such terms as an example:
Carbon ring
Loaded neck clearance
Case head separation
Overpressure signs
Shoulder bump
Neck sizing
Full length sizing

I think a “visual dictionary” would be a tremendous asset to the shooting community and I’d be happy to contribute to this.

 

[joshb]

Who has the popcorn?

 

[Concha]

On another note, I raced Team Losi products back in the day. I ditched my RC10 for the new at the time JRX2. Then a Pro, Pro SE and then a XX. I also had 2 trucks by TL.

 

[garandman]

Back on topic...

The problem with hunting for the best load by just trying somebody else's load is The fairly high probability of missing your best load By a very small margin.


It may seem like more work to step through powder charges incrementally and seating depth incrementally, but you actually get to see your groups close down and then open back up as you move through your powder 0.2 grains at a time and your seating depths 2 thousands At a time .

While people do find good loads By just trying 1 or 2 recommended "internet" loads, my experience is you find better loads using incremental ladder / OCW test methods.. There just is no substitute for doing your own work because your barrel is going to tell you what your best load is ... not someone else's.

YMMV. See disclaimer (below)

 

[JFrank]

Believe it or not, I just tried the search function for the first time.
Yea””””

 

[dolek]

Back on topic...

The problem with hunting for the best load by just trying somebody else's load is The fairly high probability of missing your best load By a very small margin.


It may seem like more work to step through powder charges incrementally and seating depth incrementally, but you actually get to see your groups close down and then open back up as you move through your powder 0.2 grains at a time and your seating depths 2 thousands At a time .

While people do find good loads By just trying 1 or 2 recommended "internet" loads, my experience is you find better loads using incremental ladder / OCW test methods.. There just is no substitute for doing your own work because your barrel is going to tell you what your best load is ... not someone else's.

YMMV. See disclaimer (below)

Wrong topic...read original post !