huh?? Have to size more than once..

[LHSmith]

The only time I would consider neck sizing would be if I found a good load at or near book listed starting loads.

 

[bow shot]

Great intel there folks!

 

[bow shot]

A brief note, (I'll provide wthe workup data if someone asks... its long):

I found that using the Hornady FL die (sans expander) with the redding +0.004 shell holder, I'm able to bump my brass back to 1.8055 (from a max chamber fit of 1.8065 ie. that's what the 0.0005 caliper shows) 12/12 cases. I didn't tinker at all with dwell, cam-over force, degree of lube. Just up, pause down, basic cam-over, and very sparing wax. Concentricity holds under 0.001", which is a nice surprise.

Lots of unexplained (ie., not understood by me...).

The one thing I don't like: seems way too much neck tension, bullets (even the 142 SMKs) bullets are very hard to seat (not a surprise, not using the expander..).

Anyone know if Hornady will hone one of their dies? In the wilson I used a .290 Ti bushing.
I'd be happy to keep using the wilson with the hornady doing 0 neck work, or have the hornady honed to .290...

 

[dkhunt14]

JLC will turn it into a bushing die for a small fee. Matt

 

[bow shot]

'thinking about that one... Also thinking of just buying a bushing die... but hate to mess with what is working. I'm sure there is a varialbe that I screwed up, but am too lazy (and time strapped) to go back, repeat and analyzed what went wrong with the redding bump thing. that would have been my first pick.

 

[bow shot]

dkhunt, how do I find JLC?

 

[BoydAllen]

http://www.6mmbr.com/CarstensenJLC01.html
The web page seems to be gone, and I have not verified the other contact info., but you might give Jim a call.

 

[dkhunt14]

Yep the link that Boyd gave is right. He does good work. Give him a call and tell him what you want. Matt

 

[bow shot]

K.

 

[Old Navy]

Annealing will help. The problem is your press is flexing. The best way to deal with that is redding competition shell holders. They allow you to set the die for a hard cam over, essentially preloading the press. then you adjust your bump by swapping out the different shellholders. Also, take a little polishing compound and a shotgun bore mop and polish the inside of the die. I do it to all my dies, it reduces the sizing force and helps with consistency. Just some ideas for you.

+ Later! Frank

 

[bow shot]

Setting up for annealing ( a better-than-my-current process) very very soon.

 

[bow shot]

FYI, having JLC convert my Hornady F/L to accept bushings.

Thanks for the intel folks!

 

[JRS]

All of your problems will go down the drain by using the WTC sizing die I put my rockchuckers and co-ax in mothballs ;D and now use my Classic cast presses religiously. No cam over. Don't need it 8)

 

[LHSmith]

All of your problems will go down the drain by using the WTC sizing die I put my rockchuckers and co-ax in mothballs ;D and now use my Classic cast presses religiously. No cam over. Don't need it 8)

I'm glad that works for you....I'd have to put my guns and rockchuckers in hock to be able to afford Warner Tool dies....in which case I'd have no use for the dies ???

 

[Joe Maisto]

All of your problems will go down the drain by using the WTC sizing die I put my rockchuckers and co-ax in mothballs ;D and now use my Classic cast presses religiously. No cam over. Don't need it 8)

JRS;

I suspect you already know that a correct sizing die is only correct if it is machined to your fired cases in a particular chamber, and that the same reamer is used each time you have one chambered , (hopefully by the same person that does this on a daily basis.)

 

[JRS]

The WTC die uses inserts made for your fired brass
I no longer have boxes of dies sitting on my loading bench. The tubes that house the inserts take up no space at all in a drawer. One die, inserts for as many calibers as you want, and unrivaled precision 8)

 

[Joe Maisto]

Wasn't aware of that. Just goes to show there is something to be learned every day. Does that mean you need to send fired cases for each Cal. you use, and the sleeves fit into the die ? That has to be one expensive proposition, like LH indicated.

 

[JRS]

Wasn't aware of that. Just goes to show there is something to be learned every day. Does that mean you need to send fired cases for each Cal. you use, and the sleeves fit into the die ? That has to be one expensive proposition, like LH indicated.

Yes, if you want a perfect fit, Al would need a couple of fired cases. Yes, the inserts slide into the die. WTC will also provide a insert for neck sizing only if you wish. It is expensive, but when you consider the quality of the steel used, the man hours expended, and obvious precision, the expense is palatable. When one takes into consideration the amount of money tied up in a custom action, barrel, chambering, quality brass and bullets, why skimp on the one piece of equipment that is going to produce the straightest ammo?

 

[bow shot]

hmmm. I'll check that out!