How to get into competition with Aerospikes?

[paperpuncher]

I read through this thread, and I have never felt more like I stepped into the twilight zone. I was expecting a post from Rod Sterling at any moment (an old pop-culture reference for you youngsters). Other times, I felt like had stumbled onto the set of SNL. Pure comedy. In another thread regarding these bullets, I wondered if Jaques P. Herter was involved. I'm still wondering. I'm anxiously awaiting some test results. WH

Something about these screamed herters to me as well I have to look and see if I have some of those wasp waist bullets left

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Having gone through this many times I can ad some input. This costs the shooter the most. Many companies have sent products for these guys to test. They spend the fuel, components, time, and have the skill and knowledge. I have been in the middle enough times that if you contact me with something you want tested by a guy that can actually do it. Its not free. Your gonna pay him or Im not doing this. Been there done that and seen who wins and who loses.

 

[boltfluter]

Just stop posting please! The end.....
Paul

 

[TylerFromMS]

Aiight boys, yall chill. He sent me 200 to shoot and do all the things.

 

[Bc'z]

Aiight boys, yall chill. He sent me 200 to shoot and do all the things. View attachment 1574026

Great shooting @ Fullbore
Open a box please

 

[TTE]

No you didn't

yes he did

 

[wwbrown]

Having gone through this many times I can ad some input. This costs the shooter the most. Many companies have sent products for these guys to test. They spend the fuel, components, time, and have the skill and knowledge. I have been in the middle enough times that if you contact me with something you want tested by a guy that can actually do it. Its not free. Your gonna pay him or Im not doing this. Been there done that and seen who wins and who loses.

Yes, and I would imagine if the OP was asked by someone in his professional field to help do some product development he would require renumeration. Engineers don't work for free.

With startups sometimes an engineer will do work via the sweat equity path, the principle says solve this problem/do this task for x% of the company or cash money when/if the company is successful.

Startups oftentimes operate on a shoestring budget and have to make the best while operating on a tight budget.

 

[ISS]

Show us some pictures of the bullets already...

 

[HappyHellfire]

Show us some pictures of the bullets already...

The base is an inside-out rocket nozzle design called an aerospike. Check out my website.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I have been pretty busy as of late, (shooting and business), I finally sat down and read this entire thread.

Let me see if I have the main main concept.

This is a fully machined solid copper alloy boat tail bullet with and exceptionally long tail that Incorporates sort of a concave profile.
This design is to enhance the BC of the bullet in relation to shedding velocity at longer distances. In short, it will be going faster at the target than a “normal” bullet would starting at the same muzzle velocity.

Since the exceptionally long BT will have a severe encroachment on the powder column of a given case, the shooter might have to go to a slightly larger chambering in order to reach the desired initial muzzle velocity.

The manufacturer is trying to get a experienced long range shooter to put together a combination and that will accommodate this unique bullet design and test the concept.

So far, a shooter has tried them in a 300 Black Out, which kinda defeats the “unique” design features incorporated in this bullet..

some very knowledgeable shooters have conveyed to the manufacturer that testing components like this at the distances that they are designed to be an advantage in is not cheap, takes up valuable range time, and stacked with a lot of variables that can skew the test.

Is this about right?

 

[rardoin]

Aiight boys, yall chill. He sent me 200 to shoot and do all the things. View attachment 1574026

Shucks...not enough time to develop a load for Nats.

 

[HappyHellfire]

I have been pretty busy as of late, (shooting and business), I finally sat down and read this entire thread.

Let me see if I have the main main concept.

This is a fully machined solid copper alloy boat tail bullet with and exceptionally long tail that Incorporates sort of a concave profile.
This design is to enhance the BC of the bullet in relation to shedding velocity at longer distances. In short, it will be going faster at the target than a “normal” bullet would starting at the same muzzle velocity.

Since the exceptionally long BT will have a severe encroachment on the powder column of a given case, the shooter might have to go to a slightly larger chambering in order to reach the desired initial muzzle velocity.

The manufacturer is trying to get a experienced long range shooter to put together a combination and that will accommodate this unique bullet design and test the concept.

So far, a shooter has tried them in a 300 Black Out, which kinda defeats the “unique” design features incorporated in this bullet..

some very knowledgeable shooters have conveyed to the manufacturer that testing components like this at the distances that they are designed to be an advantage in is not cheap, takes up valuable range time, and stacked with a lot of variables that can skew the test.

Is this about right?

Pretty darn close. A couple of corrections though:

The aerospike doesn't really encroach that much. For the Win 308, 300 blackout, and 6.5 Creedmoor the full powder load can still be used. There has been some discussion about the bullet needing to seat deeper in the case for accuracy and that might start taking up powder space.

One gentleman is testing the 300 Blackout, I have two with boxes of the 6.5mm but due to the shorter ogive length they will be shooting them out of 6.5X49. I have two shooters planning on evaluating the new Win 308 design this fall.

Finally, the 300 Blackout is fired right in the "sweet spot" of the design and should actually show great performance. It did during my bullet characterization testing and I'm hopeful that the accuracy testing will also show well.

I don't really consider myself a "manufacturer". I'm a research ballistic engineer who found a cool little trick and I'm trying to get the word out there. If I have to make bullets and sell them to do that then I will. I'd be more than happy to hand it off and go back to piddling in my lab.

 

[Bc'z]

I have been pretty busy as of late, (shooting and business), I finally sat down and read this entire thread.

Let me see if I have the main main concept.

This is a fully machined solid copper alloy boat tail bullet with and exceptionally long tail that Incorporates sort of a concave profile.
This design is to enhance the BC of the bullet in relation to shedding velocity at longer distances. In short, it will be going faster at the target than a “normal” bullet would starting at the same muzzle velocity.

Since the exceptionally long BT will have a severe encroachment on the powder column of a given case, the shooter might have to go to a slightly larger chambering in order to reach the desired initial muzzle velocity.

The manufacturer is trying to get a experienced long range shooter to put together a combination and that will accommodate this unique bullet design and test the concept.

So far, a shooter has tried them in a 300 Black Out, which kinda defeats the “unique” design features incorporated in this bullet..

some very knowledgeable shooters have conveyed to the manufacturer that testing components like this at the distances that they are designed to be an advantage in is not cheap, takes up valuable range time, and stacked with a lot of variables that can skew the test.

Is this about right?

Jamie @dellet has a thread going in the reloading forum as well

 

[Dave M.]

I have been pretty busy as of late, (shooting and business), I finally sat down and read this entire thread.

Let me see if I have the main main concept.

This is a fully machined solid copper alloy boat tail bullet with and exceptionally long tail that Incorporates sort of a concave profile.
This design is to enhance the BC of the bullet in relation to shedding velocity at longer distances. In short, it will be going faster at the target than a “normal” bullet would starting at the same muzzle velocity.

Since the exceptionally long BT will have a severe encroachment on the powder column of a given case, the shooter might have to go to a slightly larger chambering in order to reach the desired initial muzzle velocity.

The manufacturer is trying to get a experienced long range shooter to put together a combination and that will accommodate this unique bullet design and test the concept.

So far, a shooter has tried them in a 300 Black Out, which kinda defeats the “unique” design features incorporated in this bullet..

some very knowledgeable shooters have conveyed to the manufacturer that testing components like this at the distances that they are designed to be an advantage in is not cheap, takes up valuable range time, and stacked with a lot of variables that can skew the test.

Is this about right?

And that any tester would certainly need more than 40-50 bullets to fully develop an accurate load and then shoot it at greater distances. But, yes Jackie, you definitely have the gist and would be a great writer for Cliff’s Notes.