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How to choose between multiple loads

SPJ - in my hands, N140 doesn't behave in the .223 Rem with heavy (90 gr) bullets exactly as might be expected from burn rate charts or the QL burn rate value. It's difficult to characterize the exact difference, though. In terms of velocity, I get a little higher velocity with Varget or H4895. Notably however, N140 seems to generate higher pressure than either of those two powders, even though it gives slightly lower velocity for a comparable charge weight range. N140 seems to have a burn rate slightly closer to H4895 than Varget (i.e. slightly faster than Varget), but I'm not sure that is a completely correct characterization based on the slower velocity it gives. The difference likely has to do with bulk density, but I haven't put a great deal of effort in trying to figure it out exactly.

I had hoped that N140 might be the ticket for improving brass life with heavy bullets in the .223 Rem, the idea being to generate slightly slower velocity than Varget in a tuned load, and with lower pressure. It certainly produced lower velocity, but with even higher pressure, which is the wrong direction. My guess is that N140 might really shine for bullets in the 50 to 80 gr range.

Wow what a fantastic answer! Thank you for taking the time, that was very informative.
I have never used Quickload but I will certainly look into it.
I will consider POI as you state above in future when considering groups.
I’m definitely being optimistic hitting 700 yards with this setup! But I like a challenge and I managed it with cheap PPU 55gr factory ammo in the same rifle a few months ago in fairly strong wind. I was astounded. I got about 70% of shots on a large steel plate without any data before hand. However it could not be considered a group.
I’m hoping for at least 500 yards on steel with this new load.
Thanks again!

BB - my statement about your bullet choice is simply in regard to it being a flat base bullet, which can shed velocity/performance at distance faster than boattail bullets due to drag. Nonetheless, once you get it shooting the way you want, you can experiemnt to determine the effective range. You also mentioned that your rifle is a 12-twist. Are you 100% certain on that? A 12-twist may be right on the ragged edge of stability for the 60 gr V-MAX; Bryan Litz' book actually suggests a 9-twist as the minimum acceptable twist rate for that bullet. FWIW, it may also be worth considering boattail bullet designs in the 50-ish gr range with a 12-twist barrel if for some reason the 60 gr V-MAX doesn't allow you reach out as far as you'd like. That's a pretty light bullet for those kind of distances, but having the boattail feature might be an improvement over a flat base bullet past 300-400 yd. Let us know how the testing goes.
 
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@Ned Ludd
Always appreciate your thoughtful and detailed responses, something I’d hope to improve on but lately it seems I’ve gone the opposite direction for whatever reason.
My interest in N 140 is strictly for long range 6 mm loads with a 105 class bthp projectiles . My current powders in use are Varget, RL-15, H4895.
I’m a little shy of adding pressure to a load, my preference would be to find speed and accuracy with consistently so I perked up when you mentioned pressure.
I may grab one pound for testing but that’s about it.
Much Appreciated
J
 
BB, i know you are only working with the 60 gr vmax bullets because that is the heaviest that you can stabilize in your 12 twist. In case you did not know, the 53 gr vmax has a bc of .290 compared to the 60 vmax of .265 bc. If you run the numbers, the 53 vmax will out perform the 60, even in wind, at least out of o 500 yards, if i ran the numbers correctly.
If you can get some to try, it may be worth it.
 
What ever you do, pay little attention to anyone who tells you to load at or near maximum. In many cases, the best shots are the ones near the bottom of what the book lists. In my .223 Remington 700 with 1/8 twist. I load Varget at 21.6 grs, using an 80 gr bullet. Hodgdons manual list loads of between 22.0 and 25 grs. Had I tried to load at the high end, I would have sold the rifle as not being accurate.

Is my load accurate? You be the judge.

Starting at or near maximum charge, gives you little room to experiment with loads.




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