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How long before a barrel stops speeding up

I broke in a barrel on my new 6mm creed and after 80 rounds of factory I started developing a load. I found 42.5 and 42.8grs of h-4350 both preformed pretty good and settled with 42.8grs at 3137fps. I had a shoot on Sunday and went in with 180 rounds down the tube and left with 260 rounds and noticed towards the end of my shoot my rounds felt higher pressured, heavier bolt lift. I took the remaining rounds from the shoot to the range yesterday and ran them over the chrony again and they came out at 3198fps and groups opened up. I’m now at 308 rounds down the barrel and need to get my accuracy back. Do I start load development over or just drop charges until I get back around 3130fps?
You may have figured your issue out by now but I might ask if the 3137 during load development and the 3198 were loaded with the same powder lot number. I have seen some variances with H4350 but not near that much....normally I'll see a maximum of 20 fps one way or another. As far as barrel speed up....after shooting for 55 years and the many benchrest barrels I've gone through the last 10 years from virtually all of the major manufacturers I will see a pickup of 50-75 fps with same load up to 100-150 rounds and everything settles in. With 6mm and 6.5mm mostly H4350/H4831 and 7mm using H1000 this has been my experience. Once I have brass fire formed, I then find the velocity it likes and after 100-150 rounds usually stays put.

On another note and nothing to do with OP, molybdenum disulfide does not cool the powder burn. Molybdenum disulfide as we know it for coating bullets is a layered structure with moly between layers of sulfide ions. It is sensitive to strain and can create hard flakes with extreme temperatures. Cycling high and low temperatures in a gun barrel can cause severe fouling for multiple reasons. When in the presence of very small amounts of H2O and oxygen the molecule becomes acidic and causes a reaction that produces molybdenum trioxide. This creates a potential for by-products that are abrasive as well as violent reactions with chlorine, sodium, and potassium compounds such as we have in smokeless powder. This compound is also not considered to be compatible with most metal compounds. The newly reacted compound can be detonated in the presence of heated magnesium and easily combines with various materials to form polymers. Tribologists and metallurgists studied in the art have a difficult time believing that molybdenum disulfide would be good for barrel life and especially where accuracy is concerned. With moly, each bullet is slightly different, each shot is slightly changing due to the above reactions and build-up...not counting the problem we already have with spent powder and copper fouling.
I have many friends who used it for years and switched back to naked bullets. They did not see an accuracy difference and actually did not see any difference in barrel life. They switched due to the cleaning issues. With that being said, you will never change a persons mind that has had success with moly. The same goes for those who do not use it. The last ten years of competition and shooting with hundreds of shooters, I have not seen a dozen folks who are still using moly.
 
That's an interesting suggestion Longrange57, about what roles MoS2 can play in the shooting of coated bullets. I'd like to read more on this; might you please post a link to your source material?

I messed with moly for a few years, decided it wasn't worth the time, money or effort after seeing some corrosion effects in stainless barrels from one manufacturer despite careful attention to bore cleaning after shooting moly'd bullets.
 
That's an interesting suggestion Longrange57, about what roles MoS2 can play in the shooting of coated bullets. I'd like to read more on this; might you please post a link to your source material?

I messed with moly for a few years, decided it wasn't worth the time, money or effort after seeing some corrosion effects in stainless barrels from one manufacturer despite careful attention to bore cleaning after shooting moly'd bullets.
No particular article as source material. My own data based on research of moly for other industries. Many articles are available for a wide variety of uses. Much of my research involved what was taking place with metal to metal contact in the internal combustion engine and various reaction by-products. My son (metallurgist/mechanical engineer) also studied various coatings for the use of these materials at NASA where he worked for 14 years.
My background involves acidizing and fracturing chemistry where I was fortunate to be awarded 3 different patents involving asphaltene/ferric iron/acid sludging, oxidizer breaker for polyacrylamide polymers, and ferric iron reduction. The reactions with moly that you see mentioned are well known. What I posted is fact but that does not mean that some have not had success with it. After dealing with many who saw no advantage, I decided it was not worth the mess if accuracy could not be improved. We did witness material cleaned out of barrels under SEM and found that if the barrel sweats and picks up H2O you could easily increase corrosion problems but for the typical shooter who cleans on a regular basis this would not be a problem.
 
That's an interesting suggestion Longrange57, about what roles MoS2 can play in the shooting of coated bullets. I'd like to read more on this; might you please post a link to your source material?

I messed with moly for a few years, decided it wasn't worth the time, money or effort after seeing some corrosion effects in stainless barrels from one manufacturer despite careful attention to bore cleaning after shooting moly'd bullets.
spclark, probably should have another thread for this subject. However, the folks I've visited with on this subject from the chemistry involved to various shooters, it appears HBN could be a very good option. I know those who swear by it and feel that consistency and barrel life are their reason for using it. You can private message if you want and we can discuss!
 
No need for PM, I accept what you’re offering as first-hand bona fide knowledge about materials we as shooters frequently use but lack your scientific background to best understand!

Your comments on humidity potentially affecting moly byproducts goes right to the crux of what made me discontinue use.

Also supports what I understood to be D. Tubb’s primary motivation in discontinuing its use in favor of hBN.

Thanks so much for giving us your background in this.
 
Curious how this phenomenon affects your load develioment on a new rifle?

Anyone ?
I occasionally have had to back down a tenth or two on the charge, but most of the time it still shoots, even with a slight speed up. I run my loads well back from max though, so I don't see pressure spiking or drastic changes in the loads.

Edit: based on my three 22-250s, one 6.5 Creedmoor, and one 22BR barrel.
 
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This is late but, if your running a 6 creed at 3100+ barrel life is going to be a big issue. Went threw 3 barrels and after your first 400+
rounds of running a hot load, you'll be chasing the lands from that point on. PITA
All of my barrels have sped up till about 110 rounds or so. Usually don't start serious load work till then.
Have a 22 creed barrel that sped up till 200. They are all from the same manufacturer.
If your having issues with it speeding up within the first 300 hundred rounds, usually a drop in powder charge will take care of it.
 
I don't agree at all with this statement, the powder burn temperature is purely a chemical "trait" of the individual propellant that is engineered into the formula. - You may want to reference some articles on moly & BHN in regards to friction in some articles. - when friction decreases so does pressure and velocity.

- Ron -
I concur with this and in my opinion, changes in friction effects how the powder burns and the pressure curve. For example, if shooting a 308W with a 175 SMK over IMR 4350 through a squeaky clean bore and then slick up the bore with a moly or other treatment, the bullet moves down the bore before the powder can reach it's potential and pressure / velocity drops. If using treated bullets a faster powder might possibly be the answer as it reaches it's pressure closer to the chamber.
 

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