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How I set up and check FL sizing dies

Ledd Slinger

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Thought I would share how I set up my FL sizing dies. We set up FL dies for headspacing, as we should, but it's also good to pay close attention to other measurements as well. I think it's very important that the dimensions of a fired case compared to dimensions of a FL sized case all match closely or you are under/overworking the brass. And if the dimensions are too far off, you could be hurting accuracy as well.

Below is a pic of the measurements I take on a fired case before sizing and after setting up my FL die for a new barrel. I do it off of once fired brass, but even better if you can shoot the same piece of brass 2 or 3 times before setting headspace on the die. I will check the fired case dimensions again after the 2nd and 3rd firings to make sure headspace is still correct and other dimensions are still within spec. Other than headpspace and neck diameter changes, there's not any other measurements you can change in a FL die, but they need to be checked to make sure the die is not grossly undersized and working the brass too hard, or grossly oversized and not reducing dimensions in certain areas. Of course your best chance of getting a good match to your chamber is the custom die route, but sometimes factory spec dies will match up ok. If not, then might want to get a die that matches better.

Side Note:
Never trust the sizes stamped on bushings, expander balls, or expander mandrels. Need to measure after sizing to get the actual measurment or you may not achieve the neck tension you are shooting for. I have seen bushings and expanders that were not the diameter stated, also seen bushings and expanders with .002" difference stamped on them, but they both sized necks to the same exact diameter. Machining doesn't always come out perfect so thats gonna happen due to human/machine/tooling errors. Just make sure you know what the actual measurements are on the case. For example, if you are using a certain bushing or expander and accuracy is great, then one day you use a different bushing or expander of the same stated size, whether the same manufacturer or not, and you don't re-measure the sized cases to check that everything is the same, you might be changing characteristics of your load without immediately knowing why that happened.

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Thought I would share how I set up my FL sizing dies. We set up FL dies for headspacing, as we should, but it's also good to pay close attention to other measurements as well. I think it's very important that the dimensions of a fired case compared to dimensions of a FL sized case all match closely or you are under/overworking the brass. And if the dimensions are too far off, you could be hurting accuracy as well.

Below is a pic of the measurements I take on a fired case before sizing and after setting up my FL die for a new barrel. I do it off of once fired brass, but even better if you can shoot the same piece of brass 2 or 3 times before setting headspace on the die. I will check the fired case dimensions again after the 2nd and 3rd firings to make sure headspace is still correct and other dimensions are still within spec. Other than headpspace and neck diameter changes, there's not any other measurements you can change in a FL die, but they need to be checked to make sure the die is not grossly undersized and working the brass too hard, or grossly oversized and not reducing dimensions in certain areas. Of course your best chance of getting a good match to your chamber is the custom die route, but sometimes factory spec dies will match up ok. If not, then might want to get a die that matches better.

Side Note:
Never trust the sizes stamped on bushings, expander balls, or expander mandrels. Need to measure after sizing to get the actual measurment or you may not achieve the neck tension you are shooting for. I have seen bushings and expanders that were not the diameter stated, also seen bushings and expanders with .002" difference stamped on them, but they both sized necks to the same exact diameter. Machining doesn't always come out perfect so thats gonna happen due to human/machine/tooling errors. Just make sure you know what the actual measurements are on the case. For example, if you are using a certain bushing or expander and accuracy is great, then one day you use a different bushing or expander of the same stated size, whether the same manufacturer or not, and you don't re-measure the sized cases to check that everything is the same, you might be changing characteristics of your load without immediately knowing why that happened.

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I keep these records along with my load data for all my rifles. Always good to have when you need to reference the different sizes at all 3 stages of the brass.


NEW CASE .220 RUS. MEAS - .405 @ S/J .438 @ 200/L 220 RUSSIAN MUST BE bumped to chamber 1.068

FIRED CASE MEAS - .432 @ S/J .440 @ 200/L 1.083 @ BUMP

SIZED CASE MEAS - .430 @ S/J .439 @ 200/L 1.0815 @ BUMP
 
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I keep these records along with my load data for all my rifles. Always good to have when you need to reference the different sizes at all 3 stages of the brass.


NEW CASE .220 RUS. MEAS - .405 @ S/J .438 @ 200/L 220 RUSSIAN MUST BE bumped to chamber 1.068

FIRED CASE MEAS - .432 @ S/J .440 @ 200/L 1.083 @ BUMP

SIZED CASE MEAS - .430 @ S/J .439 @ 200/L 1.0815 @ BUMP
The die I'm using is a little off at the SJ. In a perfect world it would be .002", but .0035" is within reasonable specs.
If I was. 0035" difference the .200" line, I would be more concerned.
 
I have a die that reduces the body/shoulder junction .0005” and another in the same cartridge that reduces it .0045”.

Both shoot well, actually, very well. However, The tighter one will always out agg the looser one.
CW
.0005" is really tight but at least it's sizing. Fired cases are usually .001"-.002" less than actual chamber dimensions so if it shoots good and its not a field rifle where dust and dirt can be an issue, run with it.

If I saw .0045" SJ difference, I would definitely start with loads having a jam on seating depth. Would also increse neck tension a bit to help maintain alignment when jamming the bullet.

I will be starting with -15 thou jammed seating depths and working out on my current rifle since it has a .0035" SJ difference.
 
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Thought I would share how I set up my FL sizing dies. We set up FL dies for headspacing, as we should, but it's also good to pay close attention to other measurements as well. I think it's very important that the dimensions of a fired case compared to dimensions of a FL sized case all match closely or you are under/overworking the brass. And if the dimensions are too far off, you could be hurting accuracy as well.

Below is a pic of the measurements I take on a fired case before sizing and after setting up my FL die for a new barrel. I do it off of once fired brass, but even better if you can shoot the same piece of brass 2 or 3 times before setting headspace on the die. I will check the fired case dimensions again after the 2nd and 3rd firings to make sure headspace is still correct and other dimensions are still within spec. Other than headpspace and neck diameter changes, there's not any other measurements you can change in a FL die, but they need to be checked to make sure the die is not grossly undersized and working the brass too hard, or grossly oversized and not reducing dimensions in certain areas. Of course your best chance of getting a good match to your chamber is the custom die route, but sometimes factory spec dies will match up ok. If not, then might want to get a die that matches better.

Side Note:
Never trust the sizes stamped on bushings, expander balls, or expander mandrels. Need to measure after sizing to get the actual measurment or you may not achieve the neck tension you are shooting for. I have seen bushings and expanders that were not the diameter stated, also seen bushings and expanders with .002" difference stamped on them, but they both sized necks to the same exact diameter. Machining doesn't always come out perfect so thats gonna happen due to human/machine/tooling errors. Just make sure you know what the actual measurements are on the case. For example, if you are using a certain bushing or expander and accuracy is great, then one day you use a different bushing or expander of the same stated size, whether the same manufacturer or not, and you don't re-measure the sized cases to check that everything is the same, you might be changing characteristics of your load without immediately knowing why that happened.

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Never kept records. Never had a problem.
 
There are lots of levels, types, and grades to reloading, so sometimes we get caught up in the transitions between basic to advanced.

In giving rookies advice, it is possible that the context can climb into advanced where some debates pop up.

However, in terms of the context of brass management, inspections, and taking notes… I gotta agree we don’t want to blurt out something like notes or records are not prudent or optional. We shouldn’t plant a debate on record keeping in the minds of folks looking to learn something new here.

Folks, the details Ledd Slinger has shown on case dimensions and inspections are important and so is keeping records and good notes in reloading, brass management, and even gun maintenance.

If there was some really good explanation for that unorthodox advice, it shouldn’t derail this thread and would be worthy of a thread of its own.
 

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