House arrest!

[rwj]

You raise an interesting topic that is under discussion a lot these days and there are a number of viewpoints on the subject. In some of the companies I've worked for over the years (often software startups moving at a rapid pace), arguments would get overheated in the pressure of the moment. When it was over, we'd all go out for a beer. Of course those where the days when 60-80 hours a week were the norm in that field and we rarely got out for that beer before 9 or 10 at night. There were times when we'd send management out to bring beer back to the office. Those who argued the most intensely are still the best of friends. Passion is not a bad thing as long as one can either reach compromise or admit defeat.

In later years as companies became more sensitive to the emotional needs of the individual, us old timers have noticed that it is much more difficult to get to the root cause of any particular issue. We (my old friends and I) find that tossing a grenade into the middle of the conversation and heating up the discussion a bit usually results in the core issues surfacing rather rapidly. Once surfaced, they can be addressed and most feel pretty good about it. However, these days you do have those who are traumatized by the process of arriving at truth. Will coddling help those individuals deal with life? I have my doubts.

Leaving your ego at the work door/gate when entering makes it easy to focus on business needs, which is why you’re employed. Making work interactions personal will always cause problems! Those that don't are the ones that can share a beer after work.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Leaving your ego at the work door/gate when entering makes it easy to focus on business needs, which is why you’re employed. Making work interactions personal will always cause problems! Those that don't are the ones that can share a beer after work.

I'm recently retired, but yeah, I agree.

 

[D-4297]

Somehow ; people either are misunderstanding what I've been trying to say here , or they are "reading into" my statements , and taking it way out of context for the purpose of debate , argument , or whatever their motive may be . As another member said , in every crisis or emergency there is a short period where both personal rights and freedoms are briefly suspended , and that is a correct statement . I am not and will not ever advocate for the eradication of any Constitutional Rights , of anyone . Period ! And anyone here , or anywhere else who suggests , or eludes to that idea , does not know me at all .

"Stay at Home" and "Lockdown" orders by Governors ARE violations of our Rights , but our system of government has given that authority to those in charge , by the State and Federal Congresses , of which "We the People" elected . These provisions have been in place since virtually the founding of the Nation . And some of these provisions within Our laws are enacted during time of crisis and emergency . Are they legal ? Technically ; They are not . But ; as Keith said , it will go to the courts , and usually way past any time of redress for those who have been wronged . Meaning , "We the People" . So .....The fact that we are having public discussion about this issue , with open , and sometimes heated discourse , and minor difference of opinion , doesn't mean that we have lost ANY of our Rights . We actually affirms that are Rights are fully intact , though I still firmly believe that some of them have been placed in a form of "temporary suspension" , whether I , you , or anyone here likes that fact . Nor does it change that fact . It is still a fact . We will get through this sorry-assed ordeal , and come out the other side as strong a Nation as we have ever been . And all of our Rights will still be in place , and fully intact . Or ; WE , as a people WILL take whatever steps are necessary to re-establish and re-affirm any Rights that may be subjugated , or lost . Even temporally . We ; as a people did it once , and we are just as capable to do it again , if not more so today , than 240 plus years ago ......And that's where I stand on this subject .

 

[ronsatspokane]

Somehow ; people either are misunderstanding what I've been trying to say here , or they are "reading into" my statements , and taking it way out of context for the purpose of debate , argument , or whatever their motive may be . As another member said , in every crisis or emergency there is a short period where both personal rights and freedoms are briefly suspended , and that is a correct statement . I am not and will not ever advocate for the eradication of any Constitutional Rights , of anyone . Period ! And anyone here , or anywhere else who suggests , or eludes to that idea , does not know me at all .

"Stay at Home" and "Lockdown" orders by Governors ARE violations of our Rights , but our system of government has given that authority to those in charge , by the State and Federal Congresses , of which "We the People" elected . These provisions have been in place since virtually the founding of the Nation . And some of these provisions within Our laws are enacted during time of crisis and emergency . Are they legal ? Technically ; They are not . But ; as Keith said , it will go to the courts , and usually way past any time of redress for those who have been wronged . Meaning , "We the People" . So .....The fact that we are having public discussion about this issue , with open , and sometimes heated discourse , and minor difference of opinion , doesn't mean that we have lost ANY of our Rights . We actually affirms that are Rights are fully intact , though I still firmly believe that some of them have been placed in a form of "temporary suspension" , whether I , you , or anyone here likes that fact . Nor does it change that fact . It is still a fact . We will get through this sorry-assed ordeal , and come out the other side as strong a Nation as we have ever been . And all of our Rights will still be in place , and fully intact . Or ; WE , as a people WILL take whatever steps are necessary to re-establish and re-affirm any Rights that may be subjugated , or lost . Even temporally . We ; as a people did it once , and we are just as capable to do it again , if not more so today , than 240 plus years ago ......And that's where I stand on this subject .

That clears things up and I agree. Minor differences in viewpoint can often lead to what is termed "violent agreement". This is the good thing about dialog, it usually clears things up and even when there is a major difference of opinion, it's good to see clearly what those differences are and it is ok to agree to disagree.