Horrible news from Australia

[69mach]

Not sure I would have killed the guy either but if there was ammo left his legs wouldn’t be working well enough to just walk away….

yes and when you were finished, in the leftist hell hole of australia you’d be sued into bankruptcy or prosecuted criminally.

 

[M-61]

I kept waiting for that hero to pull the trigger on that worthless coward but he must have been a christian man or it was empty. Doug

I’m a Christian. I never hesitated in VietNam. Neither did my brothers.
Really a luxury to review a situation and ponder religious matters from the luxury of your couch as you attack your keyboard.

 

[wasskeet]

Thoughts of evil acts such as this and others, brings to mind a bygone writer that put some hard truths in print:

The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.

Malcolm Muggeridge

 

[Rick H.]

While I commend the civilian for disarming the shooter I cannot say the same for letting the shooter walk away. He should have put the shooter down. There was no telling if the disarmed individual had more weapons on his person or available. As it turned out there were more weapons at hand for the disarmed shooter and while it hasn't come out, I am sure the disarmed shooter located more weapons and killed or injured more victims after being allowed to slither away. There is a time for talk and a time for action. Truly sad the hero didn't finish what he started and eliminated 50% of the problem when he had the chance. Perhaps the weapon was empty, or perhaps the hero didn't have it in him to shoot the perp, but he did have a metal club in his hand. Or perhaps he was worried about being arrested if he shot the perp. I have heard the hero was later shot in his arm. The question I have is who shot him, the father that was disarmed when he located his cache of weapons or the son on the bridge?

While this is a ugly incident it has brought out some glaring problems in Aussie Land. They as well as many other countries, have allowed immigration to run amuck. Even their law enforcement agencies bare much responsibility for what happened. How can you allow a gathering of this size involving people of Jewish decent and NOT have any on-scene police presence? How stupid are the Aussie law enforcement agencies? Also make note of the fact that Australian law enforcement knew of the activities of this father and son and did not follow up on them. They knew they went to some type of a militant Islamic training session in the Philippines and they knew the father and son were buying weapons of various types. Australian law enforcement apparently did nothing to see what these two killers were up to.

Of course lets not forget that Australia has been run by a leftist government for a long time. While I am not one to stave off immigration if one wants to gain entry into my country, but those persons wishing to do so must show they are willing to follow the laws of my country and willingly assimilate into it. What I don't want is another terrorist organization setting up shop in my country as has clearly been done in Australia. Perhaps the citizens of Australia as well as the legislators there need a serious wake up call before things get any worse. Sorry to say what they need is a Prime Minister that isn't afraid of taking decisive action to rid the country of undesirable aliens. Who comes first in a given country, the citizens already there or aliens looking to move there and create havoc? And once again Australian leaders have shown there complete ignorance by stating they will enact tougher firearms laws. Yeah, that's the ticket, take it out on the law abiding citizens of your country instead of going after the real problem people. And may be, JUST MAY BE if one or two armed Aussie citizens would have been present they could have taken some action to stop or at least slow down the shooting rampage that went on. After all, it only took 15 or 20 minutes for the police to do anything from the news reports.

I hate to tell the law abiding Australian citizens this, but your votes really do matter!

Rick H.

 

[danny]

Sorry to hear that. I've always wanted to visit Australia, but probably never will because of their shitty gun laws.

Mike

Same for me.

Danny

 

[danny]

Bondi Beach: Eleven killed in shooting targeting Australia’s Jewish community

A further 29 people have been taken to hospital and one gunman was also killed, NSW Police have told a news conference.

www.bbc.com

Prayers to all those affected by this tragedy.

I also wonder if the armed citizen could have changed the outcome?

I see so many good people doing good things, it is sometimes hard for me to fathom that small percentage of ugliness.
Dang the evil in this world!
CW

It's way too late to speculate on what could have happened.

Danny

 

[danny]

Many Australians were watching footage of the Brown University incident on TV prior to the Bondi incident kicking off and we simply don't experience this level of gun violence in the same way as other countries around the world.

What are you REALLY saying here?

Danny

 

[Turkeytider]

While I commend the civilian for disarming the shooter I cannot say the same for letting the shooter walk away. He should have put the shooter down. There was no telling if the disarmed individual had more weapons on his person or available. As it turned out there were more weapons at hand for the disarmed shooter and while it hasn't come out, I am sure the disarmed shooter located more weapons and killed or injured more victims after being allowed to slither away. There is a time for talk and a time for action. Truly sad the hero didn't finish what he started and eliminated 50% of the problem when he had the chance. Perhaps the weapon was empty, or perhaps the hero didn't have it in him to shoot the perp, but he did have a metal club in his hand. Or perhaps he was worried about being arrested if he shot the perp. I have heard the hero was later shot in his arm. The question I have is who shot him, the father that was disarmed when he located his cache of weapons or the son on the bridge?

While this is a ugly incident it has brought out some glaring problems in Aussie Land. They as well as many other countries, have allowed immigration to run amuck. Even their law enforcement agencies bare much responsibility for what happened. How can you allow a gathering of this size involving people of Jewish decent and NOT have any on-scene police presence? How stupid are the Aussie law enforcement agencies? Also make note of the fact that Australian law enforcement knew of the activities of this father and son and did not follow up on them. They knew they went to some type of a militant Islamic training session in the Philippines and they knew the father and son were buying weapons of various types. Australian law enforcement apparently did nothing to see what these two killers were up to.

Of course lets not forget that Australia has been run by a leftist government for a long time. While I am not one to stave off immigration if one wants to gain entry into my country, but those persons wishing to do so must show they are willing to follow the laws of my country and willingly assimilate into it. What I don't want is another terrorist organization setting up shop in my country as has clearly been done in Australia. Perhaps the citizens of Australia as well as the legislators there need a serious wake up call before things get any worse. Sorry to say what they need is a Prime Minister that isn't afraid of taking decisive action to rid the country of undesirable aliens. Who comes first in a given country, the citizens already there or aliens looking to move there and create havoc? And once again Australian leaders have shown there complete ignorance by stating they will enact tougher firearms laws. Yeah, that's the ticket, take it out on the law abiding citizens of your country instead of going after the real problem people. And may be, JUST MAY BE if one or two armed Aussie citizens would have been present they could have taken some action to stop or at least slow down the shooting rampage that went on. After all, it only took 15 or 20 minutes for the police to do anything from the news reports.

I hate to tell the law abiding Australian citizens this, but your votes really do matter!

Rick H.

You’re assuming that the weapon was loaded, I presume. Has that been verified?

 

[Doug Casner]

I was saying , I dont care which way he went. the sob had it coming. I wasnt trying to say he was right or wrong. Theres alot of difference in things of the old testament and new testament. I wasnt trying to weigh the situation from the keyboard . Doug

 

[M-61]

I was saying , I dont care which way he went. the sob had it coming. I wasnt trying to say he was right or wrong. Theres alot of difference in things of the old testament and new testament. I wasnt trying to weigh the situation from the keyboard . Doug

You certainly were.
He didn’t shoot because he was Christian or the rifle was empty.
So what explanation works for ‘what you really meant’?
My guess? If you haven’t actually been there is that type of situation you’re merely someone typing away on a keyboard wondering what’s for dinner.
I’m not moving from that.

 

[Doug Casner]

O.K. Ive never shot anybody . I dont need to be scolded by some guy on the internet. Im not gettin in a pissin contest with you. adios Do ug

 

[Oldbloke]

Looks like even tighter firearm laws on the way. Likely a limit of 4. That's really fukd. Arsols

 

[M-61]

Looks like even tighter firearm laws on the way. Likely a limit of 4. That's really fukd. Arsols

Some people have the choice to live where they want.
I don’t.
But maybe a bigger problem is I don’t know where I would even go!

 

[danny]

Looks like even tighter firearm laws on the way. Likely a limit of 4. That's really fukd. Arsols

If they can make it four, they can make it 0, and probably will.

Danny

 

[Dgd6mm]

Yeah, the head dimwit down there said "why should anyone own 6 guns"?

 

[danny]

Yeah, the head dimwit down there said "why should anyone own 6 guns"?

That's what we might call an "underachiever" or "amateur". lol

Danny

 

[Bell]

While I commend the civilian for disarming the shooter I cannot say the same for letting the shooter walk away. He should have put the shooter down. There was no telling if the disarmed individual had more weapons on his person or available. As it turned out there were more weapons at hand for the disarmed shooter and while it hasn't come out, I am sure the disarmed shooter located more weapons and killed or injured more victims after being allowed to slither away. There is a time for talk and a time for action. Truly sad the hero didn't finish what he started and eliminated 50% of the problem when he had the chance. Perhaps the weapon was empty, or perhaps the hero didn't have it in him to shoot the perp, but he did have a metal club in his hand. Or perhaps he was worried about being arrested if he shot the perp. I have heard the hero was later shot in his arm. The question I have is who shot him, the father that was disarmed when he located his cache of weapons or the son on the bridge?

While this is a ugly incident it has brought out some glaring problems in Aussie Land. They as well as many other countries, have allowed immigration to run amuck. Even their law enforcement agencies bare much responsibility for what happened. How can you allow a gathering of this size involving people of Jewish decent and NOT have any on-scene police presence? How stupid are the Aussie law enforcement agencies? Also make note of the fact that Australian law enforcement knew of the activities of this father and son and did not follow up on them. They knew they went to some type of a militant Islamic training session in the Philippines and they knew the father and son were buying weapons of various types. Australian law enforcement apparently did nothing to see what these two killers were up to.

Of course lets not forget that Australia has been run by a leftist government for a long time. While I am not one to stave off immigration if one wants to gain entry into my country, but those persons wishing to do so must show they are willing to follow the laws of my country and willingly assimilate into it. What I don't want is another terrorist organization setting up shop in my country as has clearly been done in Australia. Perhaps the citizens of Australia as well as the legislators there need a serious wake up call before things get any worse. Sorry to say what they need is a Prime Minister that isn't afraid of taking decisive action to rid the country of undesirable aliens. Who comes first in a given country, the citizens already there or aliens looking to move there and create havoc? And once again Australian leaders have shown there complete ignorance by stating they will enact tougher firearms laws. Yeah, that's the ticket, take it out on the law abiding citizens of your country instead of going after the real problem people. And may be, JUST MAY BE if one or two armed Aussie citizens would have been present they could have taken some action to stop or at least slow down the shooting rampage that went on. After all, it only took 15 or 20 minutes for the police to do anything from the news reports.

I hate to tell the law abiding Australian citizens this, but your votes really do matter!

Rick H.

Well said Rick!

 

[X Count]

In November they traveled overseas and attended a terrorist camp. The son traveled under an Australian passport and the father traveled under and indian passport.

During the attack, when the shooters first arrived a person tried to disarm them as they got out their car but he was shot.

The person that disarmed the son had no firearm experience and was part of the jewish festival. I believe he put the gun down to avoid being shot by police. Somehow he was shot 2x in the arm, not sure if the son used another firearm or was shot by the dad from the bridge as he was looking and pointing a rifle in that direction. Using the gun as a club may have allowed the shooter to regain possession of it.

The dad on the bridge was stormed by a couple of bystanders and shot by a detective at about 40yds with a pistol. The cops who then ran up onto the bridge thought the bystanders were the shooters and pulled guns on them.

The failing has come from government agencies not acting on intelligence and removing the licence and guns from the terrorists. We don't have a right to bear arms and there is multiple mechanisms to exclude people from owning guns so HOW didn't it happen in this instance.

Government has admitted they were on a terrorist watch list. IMHO they were using them as bait to monitor their interactions with other individuals but because they were father and son they were able to communicate and plan a terrorist attack under their own roof with limited interactions and support from other extremists.

 

[Oldbloke]

It was my understanding that only the son was on the watch list. Anyway it will all come out if there is a Royal commission.

 

[Oldbloke]

"IMHO they were using them as bait to monitor their interactions with other individuals but because they were father and son they were able to communicate and plan a terrorist attack under their own roof with limited interactions and support from other extremists.".

If that's correct Albo will lose his job. And we may be saved from very stupid gun reforms.