Hornady ELD-Ms, gone and good riddance!!!

[shoot4fun]

Typical complaint thread here. @Area51 comes on, makes bold claims and poops all over Hornady then goes into hiding.
Yes, I've read some disconcerting threads on Hornady bullets lately and, yes, they do worry me. But Area51 needs to. come back and present his testing methods and evidence so we'll all know for sure.
I don't claim to have the irrefutable evidence that the ELDM is sh#t like Area51 claims. And, honestly, my experiences with Hornady have been far from terrible. I won't claim they are the very best at CS but certainly not the worst.
But I won't take up for Hornady because they are pretty good at doing that for themselves.

 

[KMart]

Haha, I do not have a dog in this fight, just pointed out the obvious. I am not a Hornady fan in any sense though.
This is why the internet sucks, info too available, for every 5 having issues, 100 do not, for every 5 preaching the virtues of something, 100 want to slap them.

+1

 

[skiutah02]

I guess I could shoot a smaller group in a windy day with better bullets, with that one "out of the group".

300m with 80eld and 223Rem, and clearly I am being sarcastic as they seem fine to me.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...yone-using-them-in-223.3949202/#post-37192013

 

[Milo 2.0]

Typical complaint thread here. @Area51 comes on, makes bold claims and poops all over Hornady then goes into hiding.
Yes, I've read some disconcerting threads on Hornady bullets lately and, yes, they do worry me. But Area51 needs to. come back and present his testing methods and evidence so we'll all know for sure.
I don't claim to have the irrefutable evidence that the ELDM is sh#t like Area51 claims. And, honestly, my experiences with Hornady have been far from terrible. I won't claim they are the very best at CS but certainly not the worst.
But I won't take up for Hornady because they are pretty good at doing that for themselves.

He has been in other threads concerning eldm bullets. I'm not saying this post is even remotely politically correct, but he owes no one any explanations. He said his peace and moved on, if mods feel it crosses a line, let them lock it or delete.

 

[X-Caveman]

Is there any affiliation between the OP and the company that makes real nice powder funnels, cups, base for FX120 auto trickler? I believe they are new sponsors of this fine site. I’m just curious.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Is there any affiliation between the OP and the company that makes real nice powder funnels, cups, base for FX120 auto trickler? I believe they are new sponsors of this fine site. I’m just curious.

No, Area 419 is the funnel co.
Area 51 does not exist, lol according to the gov

 

[X-Caveman]

No, Area 419 is the funnel co.
Area 51 does not exist, lol according to the gov

Oops. Give me the dipshit award. Thanks

 

[shoot4fun]

He has been in other threads concerning eldm bullets. I'm not saying this post is even remotely politically correct, but he owes no one any explanations. He said his peace and moved on, if mods feel it crosses a line, let them lock it or delete.

I agree. He really owes us nothing. And that is what his post is worth without explaining his bold exclamation.

 

[pirate ammo]

I agree. He really owes us nothing. And that is what his post is worth without explaining his bold exclamation.

you are 100% correct,been using Hornady bullets for handguns,,no issues,,Amax for my 308 same thing,,,put up info,or stay home,,

 

[Evan]

Can we tie in the Creedmoor to this thread. View attachment 1053202

Well, I know what happened the other day now. I had a steel plate at 1400 yards, shooting it with my 6.5 creedmoor out of my ruger precision rifle, and wouldn't you know, I didn't see any impacts for the 3 shots I took. Nothing. I didn't have a spotter to help me out, but I'll blame it on my 147 ELD blowing up! Must be happening between 850 and 1400 too, cause I've never lost a bullet at 850 or less .

Snide aside, I have about 300 bullets down the tube now from a couple lots and everyone is accounted for, accept the 3 I couldn't see land at 1400. If you're having problems, post up the lot number so others can check, please?

 

[Steve Donlon]

I really like the 208gr ELD M in my 30-06 for targets at 1000 and 500 yards. They shoot better than any other bullet I have tried. They can tolerate the long jump required in my Remington 700 chamber. I have been shooting them ever since they came out with no complaints.

 

[normmatzen]

Yah! Me too!

Now that I have my 284WIN all tuned up for 180 ELD-M and have been shooting my best ever scores in 1000yd F Class and Bench Rest, NOW I find out they are junk!?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Benchrest competition.... mid grade mass produced bullet.... what did you expect? They are great for what most guys use them for. But they are not a Benchrest bullet. Theres a reason guys making custom bullets are so far behind. Get some Vapor trails or Barts, even a good sorted lot of vlds.

 

[walker2713]

There should be a forum rule that if you're going to make a post ripping the ever loving shit out of a company's products, you ought to be required to explain why. Period.

 

[STOMP442]

I don't know Area 51 and I am not defending him, but I know what its like to have a bullet that you like and shoots well suddenly become unreliable. For those of you that have not had any issues I would say thank your lucky stars. I am small time gun maker specializing in long range hunting rifles and also tuning up factory rifles to shoot long range. Load development is a huge part of my work and within the last month I have had three rifles returned to me to be redone on my dime because the bullets I had chosen to use are suddenly blowing up mid-flight. Fortunately, my clients have been very patient and willing to work through the issue but this reflects poorly on me. If it's true that Hornady has known about this issue for awhile and done nothing about it then they deserve every ounce of negative feedback they get.

 

[people]

It is amazing how a company can make something so good then the next product is pure junk. I shoot tons of 52gr HPBT bullets from them.

Speer is a good example. I tried their 168gr match bullets and never got them to shoot in anything. Their 22cal TNT are pretty good.

 

[270WinDude]

It is amazing how a company can make something so good then the next product is pure junk. I shoot tons of 52gr HPBT bullets from them.

Big business vs small business. It's just another project might even be ran by different people and equipment. I agree with the above poster. As has been mentioned, he stated his problem, I can take it or leave it. However big multi national companies need to be held accountable when they make mistakes. They have no shame in continuing a multi million dollar campaign push for a product, shamelessly paying for opinions so why not have a culture making it acceptable among consumers to complain about things. I'm on a globalism v small business kick lately so maybe I'm contorting things...

 

[Area51]

Brief over view, not a detailed report by and means.
6.5mm ELD-M 147g
6.5mm ELD-M 140g
7mm ELD-M 180g
x3 qualified Engineers that are also qualified distance shooters, thats enough of that for now.
All three types of bullets, multiple lot numbers, 284 cartridge, 6.5-284, all three bullets failed in both cartridges in three different rifles, Brux and Bartlein barrels after the first or second F class target once the rifle started warmng up. A spotter watched the jackets frag off at about 300yds and about 700yds on different days.
Extremely accurate bullets in small doses, world class accurate, unless you use them in matches and get the barrel up to typical match temps.
For a few shots, great chioce on all counts.
For matches be prepared for 0 scores part way into he match. Way old news its happened to a good few of us now in various matches.
We tried to work with the amateur club at Hornady, pointless, deny all accusations, make counter accusations, admit to nothing.
Its a mass marketing pedestrian grade commoner product.
They lie and twist the facts and think because they say it we need to go for it like most of there normal customer interface. This is well known product failure in the serious match arenas, at the national level. My direct experience is
F class and long bench. As well as the other two fellows that had the same problems and were part of the investigation and direct findings. When one of the guys found a jacket at about the 300yd burm, kinda told all. Hormady would not and did not ever address the fragged jacket we did send them , but they did ask for it.
Bergers, Lapuas, Sieeras, all in the same rifles and barrels loaded them same et al, no issues.

 

[davidjoe]

Area 51 perhaps isn’t elaborating because it’s not black and white. I blew ELD’s at a state match. My choices contributed, - I used an RSAUM, my twist rate was a bit fast, and it turns out that my Krieger 5R barrels had relatively (slightly) tighter bores, ... and I don’t run mild. Attrition cured that barrel problem. Yeah, I had some feelings right when it happened, assuming only Hornady could allow this.

And then after a change and some consecutive stability, I also blew a Lapua. Not as fragile as ELD’s for sure, but it’s quite repeatable, if I shot fast, as I’ve seen. Texas summer heat arrived, and low and behold even a Berger can be made to blow in such an Rsaum, although much tougher than Lapua was.

This is when I made barrel changes. So far so good with blue and yellow. I’ve also watched my friend shoot my old ELD’s superberly and incident free through his .284. Hornady did get some things very right, especially for .284 devotees, although I won’t be returning to them to test with new barrels.

 

[Sniper338]

I for one have a gun that LOVES 123 AMAX bullets.... and I wish they didnt stop making them. Cant speak for elds. BUT like what was said, they are mass produced, made for throwing lead down range and weekend warriors.