Hornady "AEROMatch" bullets. ????

[Bat Rastard]

How did they shoot?

I haven't got back to that project.

 

[J_idaho]

They made a video saying they don’t group as small but agg better. Probably for prs not BR.

 

[Bc'z]

They made a video saying they don’t group as small but agg better. Probably for prs not BR.

Forgive me but that's kind of a oxymoron.
Don't group as small, yet aggs better?
Just don't make sense to me, maybe my reading comprehension and perspective needs to come around to Hornady's way of thinking. Lmfao

 

[TC260]

Forgive me but that's kind of a oxymoron.
Don't group as small, yet aggs better?
Just don't make sense to me, maybe my reading comprehension and perspective needs to come around to Hornady's way of thinking. Lmfao

I'd take reports of "what Hornady said" with a grain of salt. They're frequently misquoted, sometimes to a ridiculous degree.

 

[323]

As always, a key question is: For what discipline?
For 'cross the course' and PRS, they are probably fine. Many high level cross the course competitors use them exclusively.

I been to Camp Perry for nationals last two yrs granted I haven’t asked all 700 plus shooters what they are using on the shortline but the 30 some odd shooters I bs’ed with majority are using 77gr smk on the shortline. I’m sure hornady 75gr bthp are being used, probably by the newer shooters.

 

[KMart]

Forgive me but that's kind of a oxymoron.
Don't group as small, yet aggs better?
Just don't make sense to me, maybe my reading comprehension and perspective needs to come around to Hornady's way of thinking. Lmfao

Maybe that means that they consistently shoot average groups but nothing you would write home about.

 

[SeabeeKen]

Has anybody tried any? Wondering if it's actually competitive with the big names???....Thanks, rsbhunter

The bigger question is will they stay around long enough to be useful before Hornady markets something else and you have to start the whole process over again

 

[Bc'z]

Maybe that means that they consistently shoot average groups but nothing you would write home about.

And can just as easily shoot BIG groups wrecking the agg, especially if there's no small/screamer groups to balance things out.
It's possible my reading comprehension is reading to much into it. Lol

@DHuffman a very competitive shooter in LRBR and dabbles in a little PRS posted a couple nice groups shot during seating depth testing.
Now we're those average groups for this particular bullet? Or above average ?
Another question to ponder is would Dave have enough confidence to shoot that bullet at a regional, state, or national event where group size and score matters, or are they relegated to just hitting steel in a PRS match?

 

[J_idaho]

So in response to my post earlier I started feeling a little nervous because I couldn’t find original video explaining this. So after searching the web for an hour I ask chatGPT if such a thing exists. Here is what it said.

Explanation from Hornady (paraphrased from official videos and interviews):
“While other bullets may occasionally shoot a very small group, AeroMatch bullets are engineered to produce smaller average group sizes over multiple strings of fire. They are designed for consistency, not just ‘hero’ groups.”

 

[DHuffman]

And can just as easily shoot BIG groups wrecking the agg, especially if there's no small/screamer groups to balance things out.
It's possible my reading comprehension is reading to much into it. Lol

@DHuffman a very competitive shooter in LRBR and dabbles in a little PRS posted a couple nice groups shot during seating depth testing.
Now we're those average groups for this particular bullet? Or above average ?
Another question to ponder is would Dave have enough confidence to shoot that bullet at a regional, state, or national event where group size and score matters, or are they relegated to just hitting steel in a PRS match?

I haven't played with them lately, started concentrating on LR BR and put it away.

I will say anyone who drank the kool-aid about not having to work up a load just swap bullets is delusional.
I know I know, they said...

Come on guys, please! I think we all know better yet some people have to take that and run with it so they can bad mouth the product.

For a collective group of people who test lot to lot variances the idea of switching from one manufacturers bullet to another without any load work up just because it's a "copy" is ridiculous.
People know better but haters gonna hate
Hornady should have never made that claim or should have said "but for best results work up a load in your gun" maybe they did IDK and don't care enough to go look for it.

We have to do the work for the best results. My son took 8th in a PRS regional that had a pretty good amount of talent recently shooting the 140 AeroMatchs in a 6.5x47 L

I haven't tried them in a bench gun but they are extremely capable in a PRS situation and tune up easily in my experience.

 

[Bc'z]

I haven't played with them lately, started concentrating on LR BR and put it away.

I will say anyone who drank the kool-aid about not having to work up a load just swap bullets is delusional.
I know I know, they said...

Come on guys, please! I think we all know better yet some people have to take that and run with it so they can bad mouth the product.

For a collective group of people who test lot to lot variances the idea of switching from one manufacturers bullet to another without any load work up just because it's a "copy" is ridiculous.
People know better but haters gonna hate

We have to do the work for the best results. My son took 8th in a PRS regional that had a pretty good amount of talent recently shooting the 140 AeroMatchs in a 6.5x47 L

I haven't tried them in a bench gun but they are extremely capable in a PRS situation and tune up easily in my experience.

Thanks Dave.
I'm not hating just reading the information and drawing my own conclusions.
I'd be interested to see how they preform in your bench gun when you get back to it.
It's my understanding Hornady makes the Vtac for Tom, I've not got any farther than sorting them and they sorted well, not well enough to stop using the hand pulled tho.

 

[DHuffman]

So in response to my post earlier I started feeling a little nervous because I couldn’t find original video explaining this. So after searching the web for an hour I ask chatGPT if such a thing exists. Here is what it said.

Explanation from Hornady (paraphrased from official videos and interviews):
“While other bullets may occasionally shoot a very small group, AeroMatch bullets are engineered to produce smaller average group sizes over multiple strings of fire. They are designed for consistency, not just ‘hero’ groups.”

Says engineered & designed to, doesn't necessarily claim they do... Sounds like a mission statement or goal to me not a guarantee.

So with all due respect either believe it, prove it wrong or take it with a grain of salt for the advertising claim it is.

 

[DHuffman]

Thanks Dave.
I'm not hating just reading the information and drawing my own conclusions.
I'd be interested to see how they preform in your bench gun when you get back to it.
It's my understanding Hornady makes the Vtac for Tom, I've not got any farther than sorting them and they sorted well, not well enough to stop using the hand pulled tho.

Wasn't calling you out Brett, sorry if you took it that way.

The VTacs do well in our PRS guns also. They sort better than any machine made bullet I've handled especially on the bearing surface.

I'm not sure I'll run the 140s in a bench gun, if I go up from a 6 it will be a 25 or probably skip straight up to a 7mm.

 

[J_idaho]

Forgive me but that's kind of a oxymoron.
Don't group as small, yet aggs better?
Just don't make sense to me, maybe my reading comprehension and perspective needs to come around to Hornady's way of thinking. Lmfao

Ya know I felt same way and then I heard Bruce say this in his interview with Eric.

 

[Fire Dog]

Hornady is just another mass produced bullet which is indicative of the price. For hunting and plinking, they are great. For long range competition, you are better spending the extra money and buying some Bergers. In smaller calibers, some guys are also having good luck with 6mm 107gr Sierra Match Kings.

I’ve always had better luck with 107 Sierra’s than with the range of Bergers {105’s - 108’s of all different styles} in my 6BR…
Just one man’s experience... Though had one year with 103’s that performed extremely well… Till I ordered a second 1’000 that never proved to be as good as the first lot…
That is when I moved back to the 107’s…

 

[jelenko]

They are designed for consistency, not just ‘hero’ groups.”

With the guaranteed boxes from the same lot and for high volume competitors, my take is they are talking to the 'cross the course' crowd. If so, we use the 69gr ones for 200/300 either loaded from a mag or shot single load offhand. In either case, 1/2 MOA from the rifle/ammo is just splendid! And, we don't want to be surprised by a 1 1/2 MOA group at prone rapid.

So, consistent small groups is what we need for the 200/300 stages. While no one is going to kick a .3 MOA group out of bed, at 200/300 we got no chance to even know it's there.

All that said, my mind is getting all tangled on what design element would produce consistency and tend to make the bullet not capable of 'hero' groups.

 

[ELR LVR]

I have been shooting Berger Hybrid bullets since they were introduced...also shoot Vapor Trail's.... that's why I was curious...I don't trust any bullet other than maybe three makers, and some custom makers....rsbhunter

I do not trust Hornady for precision, even though I do use their Eld-M's for practice and fun.
Hornadys have thinner jackets than most and often give me problems if I drive them too hard.
I believe your mileage may vary depening more on the round you are using
Whether it is fast or slow and the condition of your barrel

 

[Bc'z]

Wasn't calling you out Brett, sorry if you took it that way.

The VTacs do well in our PRS guns also. They sort better than any machine made bullet I've handled especially on the bearing surface.

I'm not sure I'll run the 140s in a bench gun, if I go up from a 6 it will be a 25 or probably skip straight up to a 7mm.

No worries on my part.
It's a conversation on the bullets performance, good or bad.
I'm always reading between the lines when it comes to stuff on the forum, learning how to differentiate between the different disciplines really pays off when reading threads on performance down range.
I referenced your targets knowing your dabbling in PRS with your son, but passionate about LRBR.