Holding off Vs Dialing in.

[Turbulent Turtle]

Well.... I am officially old then. I twisted the windage knob the wrong way at Oak Ridge last weekend... Paid for it dearly. 2 MOA wrong way hurts bad.

Well, i aint that old (42) and i did the same thing you just did.......I did it last month at the Berger Nationals of all places to do it.....I dialed the wrong way and shot a 6 then followed up with an 8 trying to get back to the 10/X ring in fast building winds......I was sick when the target came up a 6.......I knew exactly what i did, still kicking myself for doing that in a big match but it happens i guess....... :-\

That is always what haunts me when I'm fiddling with windage knobs; and more than once have I messed up with my elevation knob, though I play with that one more, even during a string.

This knob twirling is one of the reasons I hate the "Palma Format" used in some competitions and especially with only two sighters. I remember screwing up the change between 300 and 500 many years back at TSRA and being totally befuddled and almost panicking trying to remember if, when and how much to dial up. That's when I started putting little stickies on my elevation knob. I used the number things that you can buy to label wires and I would cut a 3, a 5 and a 6 and place them on the knob. I did the same for 8, 9 and 0 (1000). But now that I'm older and wiser (ha, right) and shoot at 1000 almost exclusively; I just set the 0 on the knob to 1000 yards and fiddle up and down from there depending on the conditions. The World format at Raton brought back some of the "pleasures" of Palma type shooting and I didn't do as well as during the Nationals, all shot at a he-man, masculine 1000 yards. :big _smile:

BTW, good shooting this past weekend, Jade!

 

[dragman]

I shoot silhouette long range, so it's very different and I get a sighter shot. I chase the sighter... and if the wind changes mid string I have been known to chase the shot back/further. I don't like holding off to much more than 8-10" if I can help it. works for me.

 

[Medic505]

Jade,
If you'd just shoot your "good bullets" you wouldn't need to touch anything.....

 

[Down South]

Jade,
If you'd just shoot your "good bullets" you wouldn't need to touch anything.....

Boy you got that right!...... ;D.......Next time, good bullets only!

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I load nothing but great bullets for my match rifles. In .308 I have been shooting the same bullet for years; 180gr JLK with long boat tail. No prep required, all bullets are loaded directly from the white tub.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Looking at the notes I kept from the Raton trip; I don't believe I ever touched the windage knob at all that week. The elevation knob did get twisted a lot.

 

[Warren Dean]

Jade,
If you'd just shoot your "good bullets" you wouldn't need to touch anything.....

Boy you got that right!...... ;D.......Next time, good bullets only!

Be sure and wear your purple swamp donkey cape when you request your "good bullets", Jade. ;D

 

[memilanuk]

Well... went to a LR practice on Friday; had to hold way off and dial both. Mainly because I ran out of windage - at 21 MOA left. Ended up holding between left edge of black and right edge of the next target over. Yowza Not shooting a 'light' load either - B185s @ 2820fps.

 

[spclark]

The knobs on scopes are there for a reason, same as the knobs on aperture sights. Whether to, and when, to put them to use is up to the shooter.

Rapidly changing conditions can flustrate the best mind-controlled shooter who may do better leaving the knobs alone, instead adjusting their hold (John Holliger will coach a shooter to 'think left') for shots as necessary.

Conditions that vary between (fairly well perceived) extremes on a consistent basis is worth moving the knobs to compensate.

Boils down to the old saw: Know Your Tools if you desire to get the best results from their employment.

 

[Down South]

Well... went to a LR practice on Friday; had to hold way off and dial both. Mainly because I ran out of windage - at 21 MOA left. Ended up holding between left edge of black and right edge of the next target over. Yowza Not shooting a 'light' load either - B185s @ 2820fps.

Monte,

Sounds like they had a "mild" breeze out there!........ ;D

 

[Down South]

Jade,
If you'd just shoot your "good bullets" you wouldn't need to touch anything.....

Boy you got that right!...... ;D.......Next time, good bullets only!

Be sure and wear your purple swamp donkey cape when you request your "good bullets", Jade. ;D

I will....... ;D

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Well... went to a LR practice on Friday; had to hold way off and dial both. Mainly because I ran out of windage - at 21 MOA left. Ended up holding between left edge of black and right edge of the next target over. Yowza Not shooting a 'light' load either - B185s @ 2820fps.

Monte,

Sounds like they had a "mild" breeze out there!........ ;D

That's not holding off, that's guessing! 17 feet of windage is like shooting 3 targets over.

 

[memilanuk]

Nah, more like not quite two targets over (before the extra hold-off). These are on 10 foot centers for a reason - to give you plenty of room to miss without messing up the shooter on the next target over ;D

I was just there to see if some recent 'debugging' had worked and to check my come-ups. The only other idgit willing to shoot that afternoon was a BPCR guy. *He* ran out of windage and was still impacting 2 whole targets - and then some - down wind. We were on target 17, so I was having to give him wind hold-offs in terms of number boards - i.e. hold under the number 5... okay, try 5-1/2... :

Now I know how F-Open guys must feel when coaching F/TR shooters!!!

 

[Medic505]

Man, A purple swamp donkey cape.......I gotta get me one of those!

 

[Down South]

Man, A purple swamp donkey cape.......I gotta get me one of those!

Its all the rage now days....... ;D

 

[Down South]

Nah, more like not quite two targets over (before the extra hold-off). These are on 10 foot centers for a reason - to give you plenty of room to miss without messing up the shooter on the next target over ;D

I was just there to see if some recent 'debugging' had worked and to check my come-ups. The only other idgit willing to shoot that afternoon was a BPCR guy. *He* ran out of windage and was still impacting 2 whole targets - and then some - down wind. We were on target 17, so I was having to give him wind hold-offs in terms of number boards - i.e. hold under the number 5... okay, try 5-1/2... :

Now I know how F-Open guys must feel when coaching F/TR shooters!!!

;D

 

[Warren Dean]

Man, A purple swamp donkey cape.......I gotta get me one of those!

Its all the rage now days....... ;D

But not quite as in vogue as Malcolm the kangaroo.

 

[Dos XX]

Man, A purple swamp donkey cape.......I gotta get me one of those!

Its all the rage now days....... ;D

But not quite as in vogue as Malcolm the kangaroo.

After seeing your kangaroo skin at Ben Avery, I've been on the look out for a Nutria skin or some other southern redneck type skin. I've seen a couple of fox and coyotes, but they don't seem quite southern enough.

 

[Warren Dean]

Gonna be interesting at nationals this year...probably look like a taxidermy shop.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Geez, talk about thread drift! I've been guilty of that in the past, but this is ridiculous.

What's next, animal husbandry?