hogpatrol said: "Why not a Creedmoor"

[snert]

Ya, I confess that I am part of the Miserly Curmudgeon branch of shooters. If I can't do it with my trapdoor, well...nevermind, ain't nothing I can't do with my trapdoor. So all this whizbang stuff like smokeless powders and Creedmore stuff just makes my knees ache.

 

[joshb]

Ya, I confess that I am part of the Miserly Curmudgeon branch of shooters. If I can't do it with my trapdoor, well...nevermind, ain't nothing I can't do with my trapdoor. So all this whizbang stuff like smokeless powders and Creedmore stuff just makes my knees ache.

Hey Snert! I just learned that they made a bolt action 45/70! I need to get one of those, too!

 

[snert]

Too fancy and not reliable. Stick to the trapdoor...bah!

 

[hogpatrol]

Went to the gun club this afternoon. There was a gentleman there with a CM, a Ruger, the one that looks like an erector set on steroids. Anyway, with factory ammo, 130s, he was shooting 1/2 inch groups at 100 yds. Now I know that doesn't mean squat for the longer ranges but I thought that was pretty good for a factory rifle shooting factory ammo. On a lighter note, lifted the lid on the trash can to throw away some targets and it looked like there must've been a picnic before I got there, it was full of paper plates.

 

[snert]

Went to the gun club this afternoon. There was a gentleman there with a CM, a Ruger, the one that looks like an erector set on steroids. Anyway, with factory ammo, 130s, he was shooting 1/2 inch groups at 100 yds. Now I know that doesn't mean squat for the longer ranges but I thought that was pretty good for a factory rifle shooting factory ammo. On a lighter note, lifted the lid on the trash can to throw away some targets and it looked like there must've been a picnic before I got there, it was full of paper plates.

My trapdoor shoots bullets so big I had to go to full size dinner plates just to keep them from being destroyed by the first bullet. At a thousand yards too. I was cool before tactics ever entered the vernacular. And I don't need no 511 shorts to prove it. Creedmore Screedmore...

 

[Prose]

My trapdoor shoots bullets so big I had to go to full size dinner plates just to keep them from being destroyed by the first bullet. At a thousand yards too. I was cool before tactics ever entered the vernacular. And I don't need no 511 shorts to prove it. Creedmore Screedmore...

A few years back my wife bought me a 5.11 hat... I was like, no, no, no, i've been making fun of these people for so long I just can't wear it!!! Anyways, she's always reminding me not to forget my ball cap. Damn if it doesn't fit well though.

 

[boltman13]

I was an early rider on the 6.5Creedmoor band wagon. I wanted to get into long range shooting and had my gunsmith rebarrel a Remington 40x in it. is a good round very efficient, accurate, mild recoil, the component selection has grown tremendously, as has the factory ammunition. It is not however the fastest 6.5, or the single most accurate. I plan to stay with it when I rebarrel, but would not suggest any other 6.5 shooter change to it if they are satisfied with what they currently use or any other round for that matter.

 

[snert]

I was an early rider on the 6.5Creedmoor band wagon. I wanted to get into long range shooting and had my gunsmith rebarrel a Remington 40x in it. is a good round very efficient, accurate, mild recoil, the component selection has grown tremendously, as has the factory ammunition. It is not however the fastest 6.5, or the single most accurate. I plan to stay with it when I rebarrel, but would not suggest any other 6.5 shooter change to it if they are satisfied with what they currently use or any other round for that matter.

Just like others said...it is not the round, the concept or even the name. It is the wild-eyed nonsense and mouth foaming hype from the fans that just doesn't fit the reality. THAT just makes us old guys crazy.
And not to stir the pot more, but it reminds me of the three or four years of reading Handgunner, etc and then realizing that there are handguns that were NOT designed in 1911. You would never know it from reading those years of hype. (Ya, I actually bought one and gasp, like my Glock more...but THAT is gonna get me tossed outta here fast!)
Oh, BTW, I strongly counseled a friends son to go CM when he bought his first factory "LR" rifle, because he was starting to shoot at distances, wanted a decent 400 yard deer rifle and wanted to start to learn to reload. He bought a Savage, a good scope, good equipment from Redding and good brass. All he needs for reloading is available easily. He is well set to learn and grow. His budget, like many, did not include a custom rifle or even a high end Savage. He spent for a decent rifle, good optics, lots of ammo and a lifetime of being able to make his own. He is tickled with his gun as it shoots flatter than his older 308 and he is becoming a better marksman with less recoil, a better design and better optics. Win/Win.
I thought it too arcane and advanced to start him on a Trapdoor...

 

[GaryL1959]

A few years back my wife bought me a 5.11 hat... I was like, no, no, no, i've been making fun of these people for so long I just can't wear it!!! Anyways, she's always reminding me not to forget my ball cap. Damn if it doesn't fit well though.

Reminds me if years ago, back in my IPSC handgun competing days...the first year Rob Leatham won the nationals he was carrying a Spyderco pocket knife and spent his time between stages flipping it open and closed and showing it off. ...next local match afterwards, 90% of the guys had a knife just like Rob's, doing the same flip and jive, like having that same blade made them the next national champ.
IMHO, if big green had the gumption to market and support the 260 the way Hornady did (does) the Creedmoor, the Creedmoor would have been a minor blip on the screen.
5.11 head gear...kinda like the ball caps with the flat bill that can't be curled..leaves me wondering WTF? And why the heck are 'they' wearing them backwards?

 

[Milo 2.0]

IMHO, if big green had the gumption to market and support the 260 the way Hornady did (does) the Creedmoor, the Creedmoor would have been a minor blip on the screen.

I agree with most of your post, but this part. The creed still a more efficient case design, better adapted to fitting in magazines.
Let's step down to 6mm, the 243 has been around forever, same case as 260 and how often do we hear about it?

 

[joshb]

It's like women's fashions. The marketeers want you to spend money, so they hype the "new thing" hard and try to get a movement going. I know guys that follow the FBI's lead as to what pistol round is "sacrosanct". I just ignore them. I like 1911s in 45 auto and wheel guns. I have tried other manufacturers and calibers and some of those aren't bad. I did get pressured into buying a Glock. It puts a bullet on target and it always goes bang when I want it to. Nothing to get revved up about, tho.
What the heck is 5.11?

 

[KMart]

What he said....

Same reasons I won't buy a Vortex optic, a Sig handgun or anything that has "tactical" as part of the name. The 'tacti-cool' crowd has turned me against all of the above.
Nothing against the round in general, and it does shows what a company can do through marketing, I just think it's a wheel that didn't need to be re-invented.

For many of the same reasons, I never owned a 270 Win. It received a lot of the same hype in the 50' and 60's. People that bought them did so because of gun writers in outdoor magazines. Owners of the 270 kind of looked down their nose at you if you shot something else. They did a very good job of selling the product.
I recently expanded my 6.5 line. Instead of the Creedmoor, I chose to build the original old school tactical 6.5....the 6.5x55. It is on a long action Mod 70 push feed and with a strong action and some of the newer powders, it is quite the performer.

 

[GaryL1959]

Let's step down to 6mm, the 243 has been around forever, same case as 260 and how often do we hea

I dunno...ask this guy about the .243 Winchester. He seems to like it pretty well.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/shooting-skills/john-whidden-shares-championship-secrets/

 

[Milo 2.0]

I dunno...ask this guy about the .243 Winchester. He seems to like it pretty well.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/shooting-skills/john-whidden-shares-championship-secrets/

Wasn't trying to start an argument, just this site seems to be dedicated to getting away from 243 or the 6mm Rem.

 

[jdh47]

I have seen far more people bashing the 6.5 Creedmoor than singing it's praises on this forum. For that matter I continually see people readily bashing other shooting disciplines as well. To me that tends to diminish our sport and detracts from our goal of growing responsible firearms ownership.

It serves no good purpose to bash different styles of rifles. The truth is that Ruger saw a void in the trend of PRS and capitalized on it. Savage and Remington are following suit. I am happy to see gun companies expand their offerings and get innovative. That's what advances our sport.

It is good to see people getting into the sport and I don't much care if they are shooting 17 hornet or a 458 Lott. Our sport has suffered from bad publicity in the press and from fringe lunatic leftist politicians willing to do and say anything that will villainize the firearms industry and gun owners in general.

We go through this any time an offering starts to gain popularity and threatens to dethrone the status quo. The 270 is still attacked by those that like heavier bullets. Jack O'Connor fought for the 270 because he believed it deserved fighting for, not because he believed it was the only cartridge that could perform.

Remington is famous for it's lack luster presentations and lack of forward thinking in it's offerings. It's a good company and Mike Walker's genius design is still pretty much king of the hill and it is widely copied and improved on. Anything that supports the shooting industry and gets more people into competition of any sort is ok by my way of thinking.

The Creedmoor won't replace the PPC or replace any of the various cartridges currently favored in some disciplines but it got a lot of people seeing the virtues of the 6.5 for long range and enraged a few pundits in the process apparently. The current darlings of PRS are the various 6mm's because recoil is still a big concern in that discipline. Just about any cartridge pushing a .264 dia. bullet from 2800+ will compare well in drop and drift at range especially considering barrel life and recoil.

Truth is, Hornady did well in designing the Creedmoor and it is still one of the best supported factory offerings on the market. It is an affordable way to get into shooting that may lead to competition and that is a good thing. Savage and Ruger have also suffered the complaints from a lot of people but they still make money getting people into shooting with affordable offerings that do compete well enough to add to the sport. I'm all for growing the ranks of gun owners and competitors.

Joe

 

[Milo 2.0]

I have seen far more people bashing the 6.5 Creedmoor than singing it's praises on this forum. For that matter I continually see people readily bashing other shooting disciplines as well. To me that tends to diminish our sport and detracts from our goal of growing responsible firearms ownership.

It serves no good purpose to bash different styles of rifles. The truth is that Ruger saw a void in the trend of PRS and capitalized on it. Savage and Remington are following suit. I am happy to see gun companies expand their offerings and get innovative. That's what advances our sport.

It is good to see people getting into the sport and I don't much care if they are shooting 17 hornet or a 458 Lott. Our sport has suffered from bad publicity in the press and from fringe lunatic leftist politicians willing to do and say anything that will villainize the firearms industry and gun owners in general.

We go through this any time an offering starts to gain popularity and threatens to dethrone the status quo. The 270 is still attacked by those that like heavier bullets. Jack O'Connor fought for the 270 because he believed it deserved fighting for, not because he believed it was the only cartridge that could perform.

Remington is famous for it's lack luster presentations and lack of forward thinking in it's offerings. It's a good company and Mike Walker's genius design is still pretty much king of the hill and it is widely copied and improved on. Anything that supports the shooting industry and gets more people into competition of any sort is ok by my way of thinking.

The Creedmoor won't replace the PPC or replace any of the various cartridges currently favored in some disciplines but it got a lot of people seeing the virtues of the 6.5 for long range and enraged a few pundits in the process apparently. The current darlings of PRS are the various 6mm's because recoil is still a big concern in that discipline. Just about any cartridge pushing a .264 dia. bullet from 2800+ will compare well in drop and drift at range especially considering barrel life and recoil.

Truth is, Hornady did well in designing the Creedmoor and it is still one of the best supported factory offerings on the market. It is an affordable way to get into shooting that may lead to competition and that is a good thing. Savage and Ruger have also suffered the complaints from a lot of people but they still make money getting people into shooting with affordable offerings that do compete well enough to add to the sport. I'm all for growing the ranks of gun owners and competitors.

Joe

Well said, plus on the lighter side, just say the S does HTF, we will want this crowd on our side, they will have 20 shots off and moving while 30lb seb rests are being leveled. Most likely won't be getting shot setting a wind flag either.

 

[Joe Salt]

I myself feel that if Lapua made the brass, that's a good thing know I want them to make some 300 WSM Brass!
If I break a record with something I designed are you all going to get on the band wagon. I say if it proves itself that's a good thing. So far the 6.5-284 and the 6.5x47 are still in the spot light.
Maybe Tom will bring his Creedmoor to the National and show us it's the shooter and not the rifle.

Joe Salt

 

[mikeeg02]

The names are greyed out to protect the innocent. But at last weekends 800-1000 steel shoot here, (in some pretty tough conditions I'll add) the dashers were holding the top, and the CM's seemed to hold the bottom pretty well.

Though I think the CM name is catchy, and probably helping introduce newer shooters to the game. I like it in that respect. Lots of factory-ammo support.

EDIT: Yes, photography is not a talent of mine. Sorry for the crooked picture!

 

[SMITTY33]

I am really enjoying this post. IMHO Anything that brings more folks to the shooting sports is a great thing. Forty years ago (on a week end) I could go to the same local range I shoot at today and spend 3-4 hours shooting my, at the time, long Range of 200 yards and never see another soul (except, at hunting season). Now I wont even attempt a week end and any given weekday will be very busy. All these people who have filled the spots on the firing line over the years, are the ones that have improved things overall for all the disciplines. All of the Holy Grail advancements and even more so Marketing Magic have driven the bar up and up, if not by actual performance then by disproving that performance. I commend those that have earned the respect and have the patients to take the time to pull out the ballistic calculators and " Teach "... those Guys earn the right to "Humbly" wave the BS flags!! If we all could learn to do this we would be building fantastic new state of the art ranges all over this country.

 

[mikeeg02]

I'm not sure if your flag was in reference to my post or not, but those results are from saturday's match. I cant speak as to the competence of the shooters with the CM cartridges, as I do not know them well, and had not seen most of them prior. But I can speak for the competence of the shooters on top as I do know them pretty well and shoot with them(who were also shooting dashers). Which is why I had mentioned the CM's bringing in new shooters. I had just looked at our results again and saw this thread, and thought it would be a little funny honestly.