Hodgon Tite Group
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bluealtered
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The Hodgdon reloading data center is the best place to start.
garandman
Bolt Gun Bodacious
^ ^ ^ This
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/node
Of course,w hen ya look, it doesn't show Titegroup as a recommended powder.
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/node
Of course,w hen ya look, it doesn't show Titegroup as a recommended powder.
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Must be what he has on hand??? 2400 is very popular along with unique. Tg is supposed to be very position insensitive. I have not tried it yet.
Just a guess... hope the op provides some insight into his thoughts
dellet
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It can work very well with subs in hand fed action. With a lot of work you might be able to get to cycle an AR suppressed, but then you would not be able to use a lot of other powders.
Depending on bullet profile and seated depth, with heavy bullets you blow primers before breaking the sound barrier. It on the handle with care list, but is quiet clean and accurate to use.
Never tried using it for supers if that's what you're after with bullets in the 125-150 range. It would probably make a nice squirrel load with a 86-110 grain bullet as a sub.
Knowing what you want to do and what you're shooting it from would be helpful.
Depending on bullet profile and seated depth, with heavy bullets you blow primers before breaking the sound barrier. It on the handle with care list, but is quiet clean and accurate to use.
Never tried using it for supers if that's what you're after with bullets in the 125-150 range. It would probably make a nice squirrel load with a 86-110 grain bullet as a sub.
Knowing what you want to do and what you're shooting it from would be helpful.
A little off topic, but relevant with case size of 300BO similar to .38spl/.357mag. I did a load workup for 38 Special with 160gr bullets. The powders were Clays, Win 231, Trail Boss, Bullseye, and Tite Group. The clear winner was Trail Boss with best recoil impulse, cleanest burning, and 60%-70% case fill. Runners up were Bullseye and then Tite Group, with both of these powders having only a 20%-25% case fill to achieve my target velocity. Tite Group is great for pistols. It burns really fast and fairly clean. Drawback is low case fill...risk for double charge. Clays was dirty so a No Go for AR15 suppressed, and it had large flakes that didn't meter well in progressive press.
If you have to use Tite Group then I'm sure you can make it work. However, if you have other options then you might consider a better suited powder. During my 300BO load tests (supersonic and subsonic), I tested loads in 8", 16" and 18" barrels using H110, CFEBLK, and Vihtavuori N110 (powdered unicorn horn). H110 and CFEBLK are very similar with H110 being slightly faster. The Vihtavuori powders are highly regarded for the clean burning, low temperature sensitivity and low standard deviation. I tried N110 with supersonics and it was consistently slower by 100-150 fps and just couldn't generate the velocity especially in shorter barrels (probably needed N120 for supersonic). However, N110 is fantastic for subsonic loads. I have a good selection of powders so I decided to dedicate my Trail Boss stock for reloading the 38 Special. I am not a fan of Lil Gun's temperature inversion issue so I don't use it.
As others mentioned I would be cautious using Tite Group for heavy subsonics...pressure spike.
If you have to use Tite Group then I'm sure you can make it work. However, if you have other options then you might consider a better suited powder. During my 300BO load tests (supersonic and subsonic), I tested loads in 8", 16" and 18" barrels using H110, CFEBLK, and Vihtavuori N110 (powdered unicorn horn). H110 and CFEBLK are very similar with H110 being slightly faster. The Vihtavuori powders are highly regarded for the clean burning, low temperature sensitivity and low standard deviation. I tried N110 with supersonics and it was consistently slower by 100-150 fps and just couldn't generate the velocity especially in shorter barrels (probably needed N120 for supersonic). However, N110 is fantastic for subsonic loads. I have a good selection of powders so I decided to dedicate my Trail Boss stock for reloading the 38 Special. I am not a fan of Lil Gun's temperature inversion issue so I don't use it.
As others mentioned I would be cautious using Tite Group for heavy subsonics...pressure spike.
TAJ45
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The Clays result really surprises me Oso. I switched from BE to 230 then 231 ( showing my age) then got wind of Clay's, plain Clay's. Fluffy enough not to dbl charge my 1911 wad gun, clean burning (no gritty residue) and softer recoil impulse. Interesting - maybe the difference twixt the chamberings?
Silencer Talk site covers alot of info on this , I have found the 220gr is best with accurate 1680 powder
I should clarify that my dirty scale was relative to each other when doing the 38 special load development. Dirty powder is a killer for revolver competition, unless you want to clean pistol in middle of match. Win/231/HP38 was cleaner than Clays, and the others were significantly cleaner burning. There are dirtier powders...Unique comes to mind!!! I checked my notes, but didn't record the case fill for Clays, which I am sure is good. I was loading 115gr 9mm and 230gr 45acp, and realized that the same charge weight of Win 231 powder made power factor for both the 9mm and 45acp. I got real pregnant with W231 powder and am still working through inventory...I switched to 147gr bullets for 9mm so using the Win 231 exclusive with 45acp. There are some other powders I'll test once I kill what I have on hand.
Titegroup is almost as fast as. Ullseye powder from Alliant. I really don’t think the 300 Blackout is a good application for this powder. I’ve heard great things about CFEBLK.
This guy has a lot of info on loading the 300 BO but he never used TiteGroup. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTTrjvDib94kSvdzYsxkUab41PTxhtncm
This guy has a lot of info on loading the 300 BO but he never used TiteGroup. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTTrjvDib94kSvdzYsxkUab41PTxhtncm
dellet
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Tite Group can be an excellent powder for the cartridge in the right application.
The problem is the OP has not defined how he wants to use it, so there is no way of helping him.
It won't cycle a gas gun reliably and in most cases not at all.
It's a good choice for light subs in anything hand fed. it works well with lower case fill densities.
With heavy subs it goes from low velocity and no pressure signs to jamming a case so tight in the bolt face of a 700 that you want to replace it, in about 1/2 a grain.
With either of the two bullets mentioned, it can work in a hand feed, but will leave 4-500 fps on the table because of pressure issues, as supers.
With the bullet weights in the 125-150 range it's really hard to beat 296/H110 for supers.
CFE BLK will again leave a lot of velocity on the table along with un-burned powder, excess noise if using a suppressor, and more gas in your face than any set of glasses can deal with.
The cartridge really needs to be dealt with as about 5 different ones. When you can have barrel lengths of 5-24", actions that are single shot to full auto, maybe suppressed or not. Bullet weights from 85-265 grains and speeds from 1-3000 fps., asking for load data for a powder and bullet combination without firearm information is problematic at best.
The problem is the OP has not defined how he wants to use it, so there is no way of helping him.
It won't cycle a gas gun reliably and in most cases not at all.
It's a good choice for light subs in anything hand fed. it works well with lower case fill densities.
With heavy subs it goes from low velocity and no pressure signs to jamming a case so tight in the bolt face of a 700 that you want to replace it, in about 1/2 a grain.
With either of the two bullets mentioned, it can work in a hand feed, but will leave 4-500 fps on the table because of pressure issues, as supers.
With the bullet weights in the 125-150 range it's really hard to beat 296/H110 for supers.
CFE BLK will again leave a lot of velocity on the table along with un-burned powder, excess noise if using a suppressor, and more gas in your face than any set of glasses can deal with.
The cartridge really needs to be dealt with as about 5 different ones. When you can have barrel lengths of 5-24", actions that are single shot to full auto, maybe suppressed or not. Bullet weights from 85-265 grains and speeds from 1-3000 fps., asking for load data for a powder and bullet combination without firearm information is problematic at best.
My experience is a little different with CFEBLK. For supersonic load testing I used 3 rifles (8.5" AR, 16" AR, and 18" bolt gun) and the results showed similar performance between H110/W296 and CFEBLK. However, H110 produced a little more speed, with CFEBLK struggling to achieve 1080fps range out of 8.5" SBR. Same 195gr projectile with 11.3gr CFEBLK shot through 8.5" barrel acheived 918fps. Whereas, shot through 18" barrel reached 1076fps. My load tests were done in mid-60F weather. CFEBLK provided good accuracy (3/4" group at 50 yards out of SBR), and it burned cleaner than H110 in all of my tests (no idea why the difference with Dellet on this one). I am running adjustable gas blocks in my guns so I can't speak to issues with excessive gas blowback.
As Dellet said... H110 is hard to beat for supersonics. For me the Vihtavuori N110 is my choice for subsonics out of my 18" bolt gun. Surprisingly, N110 can reach 1080fps for heavy subs out of 8.5" SBR, but just doesn't have the legs to achieve higher speeds for supersonic loads.
As Dellet said... H110 is hard to beat for supersonics. For me the Vihtavuori N110 is my choice for subsonics out of my 18" bolt gun. Surprisingly, N110 can reach 1080fps for heavy subs out of 8.5" SBR, but just doesn't have the legs to achieve higher speeds for supersonic loads.
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