Hit ratio while in the field.

[searcher]

Don't let the guys claiming the high percentages make you feel uncertain about your own hit ratios. Also don't believe that all the low-percentage guys are poor shots. Missing by an inch at 800 is a lot better shot than connecting at 75 every time.

 

[people]

Don't let the guys claiming the high percentages make you feel uncertain about your own hit ratios. Also don't believe that all the low-percentage guys are poor shots. Missing by an inch at 800 is a lot better shot than connecting at 75 every time.

Not to your target. Certainly not to the landowner. I know every landowner I have had dealings with has stated shoot them all.

 

[CatShooter]

Don't let the guys claiming the high percentages make you feel uncertain about your own hit ratios. Also don't believe that all the low-percentage guys are poor shots. Missing by an inch at 800 is a lot better shot than connecting at 75 every time.

What you said

 

[CatShooter]

I admire that you take high percentage shots when there is no wind, but the beauty of shooting them in the wind is that you learn to read the wind. Nothing teaches you to read wind better than shooting thousands of rounds at small targets in crosswinds and figuring out your holds. In my opinion, you are missing out on a lot of valuable shooting experience by not testing your abilities in the wind.

If using a proper 'varmint' bullet, a miss will not ricochet and endanger targets beyond. It will completely come apart as soon as it hits dirt. And besides that, no shot should ever be taken at any sort of target or animal if risk of damage to property or life resides in the path of the shot. If there's nothing behind your chucks as there shouldn't be, then you should never fear an errant shot

There are places to learn cross-wind shooting, but when people are paying you to clean out pests, in crowded land with expensive livestock around... that is NOT the place to play in the wind and learn. That will get you banned from the property, or worse, facing a litigation issue.

Varmint bullets DO pas through small animals like gophers, and they DO ricochet. Try to explain to the owner why one of his prize thoroughbreds bleed out overnight in a stall... with a little hole in him.

Well then you are using the wrong bullet for that situation in thw first place and should be banned from shooting if you are not paying attention to your line of fire

Ricochets do NOT pay attention to the line of fire... but it is so nice to hear from you on this subject.

 

[people]

Anything can ricochet and where do they go? There is no bullet that is a 100% guarantee of no ricochet.

 

[JRS]

Anything can ricochet and where do they go? There is no bullet that is a 100% guarantee of no ricochet.

Absolutely!!!

 

[Ackman]

I admire that you take high percentage shots when there is no wind, but the beauty of shooting them in the wind is that you learn to read the wind. Nothing teaches you to read wind better than shooting thousands of rounds at small targets in crosswinds and figuring out your holds. In my opinion, you are missing out on a lot of valuable shooting experience by not testing your abilities in the wind.

If using a proper 'varmint' bullet, a miss will not ricochet and endanger targets beyond. It will completely come apart as soon as it hits dirt. And besides that, no shot should ever be taken at any sort of target or animal if risk of damage to property or life resides in the path of the shot. If there's nothing behind your chucks as there shouldn't be, then you should never fear an errant shot

Well you go out and conditions are what they are. If there's wind, there's wind. And if there's no wind you don't manufacture some. But it's sure nice having a sanctimonious ex-purt like you telling people what's what and how to do things.

 

[dedogs]

LedSlinger, You don't seem to get it. I KNOW my bullets are not going to ricochet but the home-owner/rancher doesn't necessarily know. They can damn sure hear the difference between a hit and a miss, though. Especially after I've been there awhile. As I said though most of them don't know frangible from fudgesicle . If I miss they get nervous. So I don't take the shot if there's a chance I'm going to miss. Last year a guy felt comfortable enough with my shooting that he asked me to shoot a rock-chuck off the fender of his tractor. He'd been trying to kill this 'chuck for a long time. Good rock solid rest and problem solved.
If you would not be comfortable with my methods of eliminating varmints the solution is easy. Don't hire me. I've worked really hard to develop the reputation I have for eliminating problem varmints and my customers are always glad to see me.

 

[people]

LedSlinger, You don't seem to get it. I KNOW my bullets are not going to ricochet but the home-owner/rancher doesn't necessarily know. They can damn sure hear the difference between a hit and a miss, though. Especially after I've been there awhile. As I said though most of them don't know frangible from fudgesicle . If I miss they get nervous. So I don't take the shot if there's a chance I'm going to miss. Last year a guy felt comfortable enough with my shooting that he asked me to shoot a rock-chuck off the fender of his tractor. He'd been trying to kill this 'chuck for a long time. Good rock solid rest and problem solved.
If you would not be comfortable with my methods of eliminating varmints the solution is easy. Don't hire me. I've worked really hard to develop the reputation I have for eliminating problem varmints and my customers are always glad to see me.

I have to know how you know your bullets will not bounce?

 

[JRS]

LedSlinger, You don't seem to get it. I KNOW my bullets are not going to ricochet but the home-owner/rancher doesn't necessarily know. They can damn sure hear the difference between a hit and a miss, though. Especially after I've been there awhile. As I said though most of them don't know frangible from fudgesicle . If I miss they get nervous. So I don't take the shot if there's a chance I'm going to miss. Last year a guy felt comfortable enough with my shooting that he asked me to shoot a rock-chuck off the fender of his tractor. He'd been trying to kill this 'chuck for a long time. Good rock solid rest and problem solved.
If you would not be comfortable with my methods of eliminating varmints the solution is easy. Don't hire me. I've worked really hard to develop the reputation I have for eliminating problem varmints and my customers are always glad to see me.

I have to know how you know your bullets will not bounce?

There is also ALWAYS, a chance you'll miss : Me thinks, he needs to give the crack pipe a rest ;D

 

[CatShooter]

There is also ALWAYS, a chance you'll miss : Me thinks, he needs to give the crack pipe a rest ;D

I don't think he is using a crack pipe (a really classy comment).

The shooter has control of the chances that he will miss - you shoot at a gopher at 500 yards, the chances of a miss are very high - take a shot at a woodchuck at 50 yards, the chances of a miss are almost "0"... it is up to the shooter and the conditions and rules he is shooting under.

 

[JRS]

There is also ALWAYS, a chance you'll miss : Me thinks, he needs to give the crack pipe a rest ;D

I don't think he is using a crack pipe (a really classy comment).

The shooter has control of the chances that he will miss - you shoot at a gopher at 500 yards, the chances of a miss are very high - take a shot at a woodchuck at 50 yards, the chances of a miss are almost "0"... it is up to the shooter and the conditions and rules he is shooting under.

The chance of a miss can occur at ANY distance! As can a ricochet, with any bullet!

 

[CatShooter]

There is also ALWAYS, a chance you'll miss : Me thinks, he needs to give the crack pipe a rest ;D

I don't think he is using a crack pipe (a really classy comment).

The shooter has control of the chances that he will miss - you shoot at a gopher at 500 yards, the chances of a miss are very high - take a shot at a woodchuck at 50 yards, the chances of a miss are almost "0"... it is up to the shooter and the conditions and rules he is shooting under.

The chance of a miss can occur at ANY distance! As can a ricochet, with any bullet!

IF you can miss a 10 pound woodchuck at 50 yards, then it is obvious who need to give the crack pipe a rest...

 

[JRS]

There is also ALWAYS, a chance you'll miss : Me thinks, he needs to give the crack pipe a rest ;D

I don't think he is using a crack pipe (a really classy comment).

The shooter has control of the chances that he will miss - you shoot at a gopher at 500 yards, the chances of a miss are very high - take a shot at a woodchuck at 50 yards, the chances of a miss are almost "0"... it is up to the shooter and the conditions and rules he is shooting under.

The chance of a miss can occur at ANY distance! As can a ricochet, with any bullet!

IF you can miss a 10 pound woodchuck at 50 yards, then it is obvious who need to give the crack pipe a rest...

You go from one extreme to another, eh CatShooter? Obviously, you majored in DRAMA

 

[dedogs]

OK guys you can bash me all you want but let's try to keep it polite.

JRS What's a "crack-pipe"?

 

[spencerhenry]

There is also ALWAYS, a chance you'll miss : Me thinks, he needs to give the crack pipe a rest ;D

I don't think he is using a crack pipe (a really classy comment).

The shooter has control of the chances that he will miss - you shoot at a gopher at 500 yards, the chances of a miss are very high - take a shot at a woodchuck at 50 yards, the chances of a miss are almost "0"... it is up to the shooter and the conditions and rules he is shooting under.

The chance of a miss can occur at ANY distance! As can a ricochet, with any bullet!

IF you can miss a 10 pound woodchuck at 50 yards, then it is obvious who need to give the crack pipe a rest...

i got a chuckle out of that one!

 

[JRS]

OK guys you can bash me all you want but let's try to keep it polite.

JRS What's a "crack-pipe"?

Ask the drama queen (CatShooter), he knows it all : ;D

 

[CatShooter]

OK guys you can bash me all you want but let's try to keep it polite.

JRS What's a "crack-pipe"?

Ask the drama queen (CatShooter), he knows it all : ;D

Awwww... Is widdle JRS is feeling pouty and sulking. ;D

 

[searcher]

dedogs; A crack pipe is what one looks through to see the "CRACK".

Lots of folks talking about ricochets when other talk of long shots. Perhaps they think others are irresponsible because they take long shots? Not all of us are always shooting in between cows, tractors and the neighbors buildings. When we do, we use our good judgement too. My point is I think a miss on a long range VARMINT is a better shot than a sure hit on one up close. I personally don't feel I owe it to the vermin I am shooting at to offer them a clean death everytime. If I did, all my shots would be under 75 yards for fear of wounding one in a gale. I do go on many eradiciation hunts (about one a week) on various ranches. My deal with the farmers is I shoot all I see up close - but I get opportunities to shoot at distance where available in return. For those that feel I am being inhumane, they can send money to my nonprofit for the Ground Squirrel Recovery Center. Just don't ask what I spend the money on.

 

[dedogs]

dedogs; A crack pipe is what one looks through to see the "CRACK".

Lots of folks talking about ricochets when other talk of long shots. Perhaps they think others are irresponsible because they take long shots? Not all of us are always shooting in between cows, tractors and the neighbors buildings. When we do, we use our good judgement too. My point is I think a miss on a long range VARMINT is a better shot than a sure hit on one up close. I personally don't feel I owe it to the vermin I am shooting at to offer them a clean death everytime. If I did, all my shots would be under 75 yards for fear of wounding one in a gale. I do go on many eradiciation hunts (about one a week) on various ranches. My deal with the farmers is I shoot all I see up close - but I get opportunities to shoot at distance where available in return. For those that feel I am being inhumane, they can send money to my nonprofit for the Ground Squirrel Recovery Center. Just don't ask what I spend the money on.

Searcher, I'm not trying to be a smart... but I would like to know why a miss on a long range varmint is a BETTER than a sure hit on one up close? Just askin' ???