Thanks. Borrowed a friends bore scope so will be interesting to see the before and after.
High Performance Rifle Barrel Cleaning - Video
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Thanks. Borrowed a friends bore scope so will be interesting to see the before and after.
Shit, I been "Litiz'n" barrels as long as i been shootin...
Never used a bore scope, kinda scared too....
So I'm gonna continue to be a non conformist in my methodology of barrels and how i clean them as long as they continue to do what they were designed for and thier intended purposes.
Precisionhunter417
Silver $$ Contributor
I just used this process on my F-T/R setup with 2000 rounds on the barrel and around 200 since the last deep clean. I will agree it drastically reduced the cleaning time. I usually go through 60-100 patches to clean back to bare metal. With this process using rubbing alcohol as a flushing solution im only 5-10 patches away from my final clean. I only found small traces of carbon and copper in the fire cracked 3-4 inches of the barrel.
I will be repeating this process to take 1-2days off my cleaning process.
If i were a benchrest shooter i would expect the use of abrasives would be frowned upon. I would continue to use exclusively patchout and accelerator to clean until desired results were achieved.
Furthermore, i shoot a lot 50-200 rounds per weekend. I do this 10 months of the year. I have spent massive time cleaning and have tried most every type of cleaning system with marginal results. Some systems are fantastic if you have only put 20-50 rounds on a clean barrel and fire cracking is minimal. Other times for instance after a match and sighting day i will have 250-275 rounds between cleaning and the carbon copper layers need to be removed with a more rigorous process.
Just my two cents. I will keep this system in my toolbag. I also liked the cut patch suggestion and found it to be just what i needed to get deeper into the groves for final scrubbing action.
I will be repeating this process to take 1-2days off my cleaning process.
If i were a benchrest shooter i would expect the use of abrasives would be frowned upon. I would continue to use exclusively patchout and accelerator to clean until desired results were achieved.
Furthermore, i shoot a lot 50-200 rounds per weekend. I do this 10 months of the year. I have spent massive time cleaning and have tried most every type of cleaning system with marginal results. Some systems are fantastic if you have only put 20-50 rounds on a clean barrel and fire cracking is minimal. Other times for instance after a match and sighting day i will have 250-275 rounds between cleaning and the carbon copper layers need to be removed with a more rigorous process.
Just my two cents. I will keep this system in my toolbag. I also liked the cut patch suggestion and found it to be just what i needed to get deeper into the groves for final scrubbing action.
Rebellion earned me a 1st loser yesterday with a 400-30xYou’re such a Rebel .
Seriously, I went to use a bore guide yesterday for the 1st time in my life, and came up short.
Story of my life I suppose
Have used the old “REM Clean” abrasive as the second step in my cleaning process for years. After addressing basic carbon removal with Slip 2000 ( patch n then brush) , apply REM Clean on a patch wrapped around a worn brush. Finally, Boretech Eliminator to attack the copper. Bore scope confirms a clean barrel.
The new REM Clean is not the old grey abrasive. If u like the old REM Clean, it is still available from US products on the “ Net”. Barrels are finished clean and smooth.
The new REM Clean is not the old grey abrasive. If u like the old REM Clean, it is still available from US products on the “ Net”. Barrels are finished clean and smooth.
TRSR8
Silver $$ Contributor
Most interesting thread overall. i would like thoughts on cleaning frequency directed primarily at BR barrels.
There have been over time, some thoughts by barrel makers that “ shooters clean more frequently than needed”.
My intent is not to really debate this point but to ask shooters….. do you adapt your cleaning frequency as a match barrel ages?
I, personally, have had a couple good barrels that started out getting cleaned after an agg, as long as it was not laying down copper, and over time, progressed to every group or every other group with no apparent ill effects….. thus the question.
Lastly, FWIW, I have personally witnessed a couple BR barrels, used with boreguides, combined with less than ideal rod use result in wiping out lands @ 6 o’clock just past throat…..pretty scary.
Some of these guys push a rod through a barrel like they’re launching an ICBM.
There have been over time, some thoughts by barrel makers that “ shooters clean more frequently than needed”.
My intent is not to really debate this point but to ask shooters….. do you adapt your cleaning frequency as a match barrel ages?
I, personally, have had a couple good barrels that started out getting cleaned after an agg, as long as it was not laying down copper, and over time, progressed to every group or every other group with no apparent ill effects….. thus the question.
Lastly, FWIW, I have personally witnessed a couple BR barrels, used with boreguides, combined with less than ideal rod use result in wiping out lands @ 6 o’clock just past throat…..pretty scary.
Some of these guys push a rod through a barrel like they’re launching an ICBM.
Steve Jennings
Gold $$ Contributor
Brian Litz,
Please answer the question about the copper left in the barrel after cleaning with JB Bore cleaner.
Please answer the question about the copper left in the barrel after cleaning with JB Bore cleaner.
I hope this isn't overbearing but in about 2002 I went to camp perry and shot there. Near the end of the week of shooting was most of the 600 yd shooting and my rifle had a new Douglas barrel put on by Jim Cloward in Seattle and I could be on the left side of the X ring at 600 and click the iron sights one click and that would put me on the other side of the x ring like clockwork, it would fascinate me that your eyes could discern that small of a change . I was shooting next to ,and I hope I get his name correctly as I think the world of him,Peter Laberge and I shot a 200 with 9 or 10 x's and after the match Peter said "do you know what I was doing during this match" and I said I had no idea because I was concentrating as hard as I could to not get a 9. He said he could see that I could shoot fairly well and he waited untill I shot then used my shot for wind dope. I was amazed that he was collected enough to do that. He also beat me by 2 x's. the next match I shot a 9 out to the direction the wind was coming from and after the match he said" you were on the side of the 10 ring where the wind was coming from and thought it might increase so you stayed there but its way more likely for a let off than an increase so you lost one out to the left where the wind was coming from" I barely knew my strategy but he knew what I was thinking while shooting next to me and shooting a clean. Helping me possibly to his detriment was very kind of him and appreciated by me, he was a very good prone shooter and had been on the palma team and won the 600yd stages that year at Perry. The reason I tell this story is to qualify his judgement on barrel cleaning as especially the benchrest shooters here may lose it when I tell what he claimed to be his cleaning program. He claimed to take a patch with diamond lapping compound on ti after he had cleaned the normal way and take the rough out of the throat with the lapping compound and he claimed to get much more life out of the barrels. Its fascinating how some people get so riled up when another has different methods than they heard were correct. All of the shooting sports really have information spread about the participants that probably work just fine but are unsubstantiated by scientific tests, its pretty tough to test every bit of out loading and rifle works to the degree that these people can in these labs and get real results instead of assuming you just found the holy grail because the match you just shot was very good so the new item you tried must be the reason. Someone got all shook up because Brian didn't find tuners to be helpfull and another commented that they are becoming popular as if that was evidence they worked, I would say thats just evidence that people are using them probably because since someone shot a good group they think the tuner was the reason. Much is made over what caliber is used the most in a discipline as if all you have to do is use that caliber and you will win and in highpower the great shooters will be in the winners circle no matter what caliber they choose. I think good info like Brian presents and Hornady presents and what the AMU finds is extremely helpfull and gets beyond superstition
jackieschmidt
Gold $$ Contributor
As a Benchrest Rest Shooter, I doubt I would “lose it” over any bodies cleaning methods.
As for Tuners, I find that many shooters have unrealistic expectations as to what a tuner can do. Learning what it can do is the trick.
As for Tuners, I find that many shooters have unrealistic expectations as to what a tuner can do. Learning what it can do is the trick.
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