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Have a question for the Powder experts. I have a Wildcat with 60gr case capacity and loading a 140gr bullet (7mm). Im running out of room with RL-16 and have tried IMR4166, Varget, and 6.5 StaBall and all reached pressure before any decent velocity was archived. Any ideas on where i should look next? Thanks for any info you have.

Happy shooting.
 
You want speed ??

RL-17
Win-760 / H-414
Ramshot BigGame
VV-N-550
Accurate 4350

Those powders should work well in a 7mm with 60 gr H2O case capacity.
 
N165
Have a question for the Powder experts. I have a Wildcat with 60gr case capacity and loading a 140gr bullet (7mm). Im running out of room with RL-16 and have tried IMR4166, Varget, and 6.5 StaBall and all reached pressure before any decent velocity was archived. Any ideas on where i should look next? Thanks for any info I’d you have.

Happy shooting.
Is this usable or total case capacity?

If useable Running this a bit last night it looked like H 4350 N160 or N555 were the good fits

My other suggestion appears to be too slow or not dense enough.
 
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I have a fondness for Ramshot Hunter in this area. I do have
V-555 that looked promising on paper but not target paper.
For the limited testing on 555, it's been dismal......Find some R-17
also.....If it ever shows up in the States, I'm itching to test Shooters
World (LOVEX) Long Rifle. It's a single base stick powder.

And If Laurie is reading this, he may have some input on the
Long Rifle powder.
 
the 60gr is h2o total case capacity. I have tried R-17 and while the speed was better the accuracy was not there. I'll have to look around for some VV165, never worked with any of those powders.
 
Have a question for the Powder experts. I have a Wildcat with 60gr case capacity and loading a 140gr bullet (7mm). Im running out of room with RL-16 and have tried IMR4166, Varget, and 6.5 StaBall and all reached pressure before any decent velocity was archived. Any ideas on where i should look next? Thanks for any info you have.

Happy shooting.
That puts you just south of 284 win. Id say h4350, reloader 15, and win 760 would get you the most speed. Cant say which would be fastest. But I would try them in the order above. Its interesting to hear staball pressured out before you got high velocity. Did it get too compressed or something? That stuff is usually a cheat code for speed.
 
idk....thats not a short barrel. If H 4350 or H 4831 wont get it to speed you may have to just settle for what you got....
 
And If Laurie is reading this, he may have some input on the
Long Rifle powder.

That's Lovex S065, a straightforward single-based tubular grade. We have it in the UK under that name - Shooters World imports it and packages it up as its 'Long Rifle' grade in the US. Burn-rate / applications wise, IME it falls between VarGet and H4350, probably a little nearer the VarGet end. I would say to forget its apparently suitable stablemate Lovex S070 (Shooters World 4350) as it is much slower burning than the other 4350s and although very consistent, failed to produce H4350 level MVs, or anything like. In a 60gn case with 140s, I'd expect similar results - still who knows?

As others have said, I'd imagine the 4350s should suit this particular 7mm application. The field is becoming crowded too with powders claiming to do the same job (the Creedmoor effect where every second person has to have H4350 for this cartridge), although many of them don't.

I tested S065 / Long Rifle as an H4350 alternative (alongside another dozen possibilities) a couple of years back in 7mm-08, long-throat chamber, 160gn Sierra TMK, and it did very well. The others that did well in these tests were Viht N160 and Reload Swiss RS62 (not available in the US). For the larger case 284 with 180s, Viht N160 and 165 are widely used here since the loss of IMR and H4831. Those trying N555 report good results in this application, and I've had excellent results from it in 300 SAUM with 200s, a classic 4350 application.

http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=3483

http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=3624

http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=3657

http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=3683

Viht N150 and N160 are both noticeably faster burning than burn rate charts suggest. Their 'High-energy' forms with infused nitroglycerin, N550/560 are marginally slower than their N100 base grades. I suspect that N560 might be a tad too slow burning for the 7mm wildcat, although people use it here in 7mm-08AI match loads - but that's with heavier bullets than 140gn. N165 is definitely too slow burning for this application - it'll perform well but won't produce the MVs. It usually runs significantly compressed charges in the 284 despite its 66gn capacity case even with 175/180gn bullets seated well out.

N555 doesn't sit in the middle of the N150/160 gap, rather appears to lie closer to N160 based on powder charges. It might do well in the wildcat, likewise the very much faster burning N550. (If modelling N550 in QuickLOAD, the default values are way out as a result and if you believe the calculations and potential charge weights, you can easily overload things to dangerous levels, especially as when it pressures out, it does so very rapidly over small charge increases.)
 

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