Help with hunting rifle bottom metal

[slm9s]

I haven't put a custom hunting rifle together in a while and I'm not up to speed on what to get (or if my parts will even work together). I have slowly assembled parts here and there. I have had a used Kelbly Atlas Tactical short action mag bolt face sitting on the shelf for a while. I bought a Proof 30 cal carbon blank I plan to finish around 18" and will have a Scythe suppressor attached. I bought a used Stocky's carbon lightweight hunting stock that has a bdl inlet. This will be a medium weight 300wsm elk rifle.

My question is, is there a solution to use a BDL cut stock with a M5 cut action with "BDL" bottom metal? If not, is there a detachable "flush" mag system that will work in my situation (and preferably doesn't cost $400!)?

Thanks in advance.

PS, I weighed the stock, barrel blank, and action and it was 5lb 3oz. Anyone have an educated guess how much the complete rifle with a 21oz razor lht will weigh?

 

[joshb]

I did a conversion from BDL to M5 last year. I’m a little foggy on how much material I had to remove but I have the gun with me. I just migrated to Delaware and I’m unpacking everything. I’ll try to find it tomorrow and get some pics.
You can use a thickened epoxy to fill in the voids. What color is the stock? Black is easy. Matching other colors gets tricky.
Josh

 

[slm9s]

Black should work. You're saying use a flush M5 DBM like PTG Stealth/etc and remove material on the stock to make it fit, correct?

 

[Judd]

BDL flush mag about the only thing I’m aware of is HS Precision…be seated when you look at the price, they are proud of them. Not sure if they have a short magnum mag though. Wyatt’s has a system but it’s not a flush mag like you requested.

M5 is Hawkins Hunter and Terminus and Curtis at one time made one too.

Good luck!

 

[Tucker65]

If your action isn't cut to feed out of a standard internal box magazine you can use a Wyatts center feed box.

CFE-5 Kit - Wyatt's Outdoors

The CFE-5 Kit is a center feed box designed for extended cartridge lengths in a short action. Cartridge overall length allowed is 3.00″. Kit includes the box, follower, and spring. This center feed box does not play well with non-magnum cartridges.

wyattsoutdoor.com

Otherwise the only other external magazine system for a bdl cut I know of is the HS Precision one mentioned above. I have one in a rifle and it works well. Not cheap but either is the Hawkins hunter system.

Remington 700 Detachable Magazine Assembly/Conversion Kits

It’s now easier than ever to convert your Remington 700 BDL hinged floor plate over to a detachable magazine box feeding system. Our stainless steel black Cerakoted™ conversion kits include a Pro-Series® Floor metal and magazine box. Additional magazine boxes are available in various capacities...

hsprecision.com

 

[joshb]

Black should work. You're saying use a flush M5 DBM like PTG Stealth/etc and remove material on the stock to make it fit, correct?

No. Even a 5 round AICS magazine sticks down an inch. I’m suggesting a Remington box, spring, follower and bottom metal. It will be flush and you’ll fill around it with the epoxy.
I like “flush” and AICS magazines so I make a stock that does that.

 

[Clancy]

Hawkins and Mack both make a flush fit detachable Mag. It hangs down maybe 1/8”.

I know you can get the Hawkins for WSM, not sure about the Mack.

If the action is just AI cut and not AW, I don’t see any reason you can’t just use a plain BDL.

 

[Larryh128]

There is a bottom metal made in Austrailia or New Zeeland that fits bdl and takes aics mags. They are a little over $200 shipped. The only thing that I've done so far is drop a Accurate Mag WSM mag in it and it locked up correctly. I'll try to remember and get the company name. Didn't take long to get it. And seeing that I HAVEN'T USED IT, IT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

 

[joshb]

 

[mikecockcroft]

Was the question about the stock inlet or about whether or not a BDL bottom metal will feed an action with a M5 bottom cut?

 

[joshb]

Was the question about the stock inlet or about whether or not a BDL bottom metal will feed an action with a M5 bottom cut?

Ya know?!?…….I read the question completely ass backwards. Please ignore my comments!

 

[X Count]

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There is a bottom metal made in Austrailia or New Zeeland that fits bdl and takes aics mags. They are a little over $200 shipped. The only thing that I've done so far is drop a Accurate Mag WSM mag in it and it locked up correctly. I'll try to remember and get the company name. Didn't take long to get it. And seeing that I HAVEN'T USED IT, IT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

Atlas make the in Australia and they can be purchased direct or on eBay. A nice thing is you can use a hidden or extended release lever in the same bottom metal and you can buy either as a part fairly cheap

DBM’s / Bottom Metals – Atlasworxs

atlasworxs.com

 

[DRK]

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Atlas make the in Australia and they can be purchased direct or on eBay. A nice thing is you can use a hidden or extended release lever in the same bottom metal and you can buy either as a part fairly cheap

DBM’s / Bottom Metals – Atlasworxs

atlasworxs.com

Have you used this personally? No complaints? I have several BDL pattern hunting rigs I am considering switching over.

 

[farmerjohn]

Watching... John

 

[slm9s]

I ordered the Wyatt CFE-5 kit. I have an extra BDL floorplate I'll use. It'll only hold 2 down, but that's not a deal breaker for elk hunting. Hopefully this'll be a plug-n-play and function 100%. I'll give an update, but it'll be awhile.

 

[muleystalker]

There is a bottom metal made in Austrailia or New Zeeland that fits bdl and takes aics mags. They are a little over $200 shipped. The only thing that I've done so far is drop a Accurate Mag WSM mag in it and it locked up correctly. I'll try to remember and get the company name. Didn't take long to get it. And seeing that I HAVEN'T USED IT, IT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

There is also at least one company here in the US thats making a BDL cut bottom metal that takes AI mags but cant remember who it is. Maybe APA or UNKNOWN MUNITIONS, I will try and find it. The company also has flush mags for it.

Atlasworks Elite series bottom metal, Takes AI Mags, fits the BDL footprint and pillar height, but needs a tiny bit of the mag well on the stock opened up, doable by hand with a good file.

Atlasworxs Bottom Metal / DBM (AICS) Elite Series – Remington 700 Short Action Flush Fit – Atlasworxs

atlasworxs.com

 

[Edd]

I ordered the Wyatt CFE-5 kit. I have an extra BDL floorplate I'll use. It'll only hold 2 down, but that's not a deal breaker for elk hunting. Hopefully this'll be a plug-n-play and function 100%. I'll give an update, but it'll be awhile.

Those CFE boxes need to be supported by the bottom of the receiver.

 

[slm9s]

I called Wyatt's and explained my situation and the guy said this is the exact situation for which they make this product. We'll see I guess. It was only ~$70 vs the ~250 for the other products.

 

[X Count]

Have you used this personally? No complaints? I have several BDL pattern hunting rigs I am considering switching over.

No I haven't used one yet but I have had one in hand. They are light weight and seem to be good quality. Apparently their M5 isn't a true M5 for patent reasons at this stage.

I'm still deciding on a couple of stock / chassis. If I end up with a stock that needs a bottom metal I'll probably go the atlas because of the versatility. Hawkins would be better if your willing the pay the extra. I like the Hawkins flush fit AI mags and will probably run them in either.