HELP! Shooting bugholes with a bipod.

[FlinchNJerk]

I read those articles about Froggy and Ric, how they use harris bipods and shoot amazing groups. So I went out and shot 1 MOA haha, not bad for me I guess.

I'm wondering....
Froggy says "I use a classic wrap-around grip on the stock, similar to that of most profesional tactical shooters. The rifle is pulled hard back into my shoulder and the tip of the pad of my right index finger on the lower part of the trigger."

Can someone explain to me the classic wrap-around grip? I have no clue what that is.

 

[TresMon]

Jerk,
,LOL, I just had too!)

I'm no planet Earth master champ,10 years running, but I see no one has tried to help you. I'll take a stab at it. I'm left handed, so i'll give right handed instructions best I can...

Let's say you were in a back yard somewhere, lying on the ground, prone with rifle on bipod aiming at one of God's critters off in the wild blu'yonder. I'm on the deck, above you looking straight down at your form...

You should not be lying straight behind your rifle, so as you and the rifle look like a perfectly straight line.

You and the rifle should be forming an backward " L " shape.

Such as: _|

The butt of the rifle will of course be pulled into your right shoulder. Your right arm will be running up the side the the stock opposite of you, where you thumb will rest lightly over the top of the pistol & grip fingers ever so lightly wrapped around the grip loosely.

Now, the other arm.. may be hard to explain... your left forearm, is running under the stock, & under your other forearm in the opposite direction. Your left hand ends up under the rear of the stock. Most of the time it will end up under the stock with your figers around the rear sling mount/stud.

Your left hand forms a "c" shape around a small bean bag, dirt filled sock, or heaven forbid a bonafied bench rest style rear bag which is supporting the rear of the stock. To raise your sights while looking through the scope you let pressure off the rear bag so the gun can mash down in it more. To lower the sights, you squeeze the bag with your left hand to raise the stock, thus lowering your sights.

I have no clue if this is clear to you or not!
If not send me a PM and I will send pictures!

One last illustration at the arm thing...

Hug yourself loosley... left arm under right. Now pretend your right hand is holding the pistol grip of the stock, your left hand holding the bean bag: presto- the classic "wrap around," or as I have more commonly heard it called the "cradle."

* After you familiarise yourself with this tecnigue, you will find what position is most comfortable for you. you will not end up in a perfect _| shape, but most likely you will end up lying around a 45 degree angle to your rifle.

Also know that the wrap around "cradle hold" is exactly the same off a bench rest or table. It's just that your seated off the side of the rifle & not behind it, cradling with your arms on the table.

Good shootin,

Tres

 

[FlinchNJerk]

I get what you mean. Like this picture...
Thanks, I'll try it this way next time I'm out and see how I do.

 

[TresMon]

Oh my goodness!!!

Scrap the pic and get a better one!


you want to be as low to the ground as possible for stability. This guy doesn't like much to be as high as a sitting position.

And like I said, you need to be more towards a 90 degree angle, this guy is too far behind, instead of off to the side of the rifle. His forearms are way to far apart.

 

[ReedG]

Here's a fairly good link to a site that shows the fundamentals:

http://www.biathlon.net/fundamentals.html

Bear in mind these instructions are for "pure prone" shooting without a bipod, but at least it shows a good relative perspective of the set-up.

 

[8mm]

Jerk,
,LOL, I just had too!)

I'm no planet Earth master champ,10 years running, but I see no one has tried to help you. I'll take a stab at it. I'm left handed, so i'll give right handed instructions best I can...

Let's say you were in a back yard somewhere, lying on the ground, prone with rifle on bipod aiming at one of God's critters off in the wild blu'yonder. I'm on the deck, above you looking straight down at your form...

You should not be lying straight behind your rifle, so as you and the rifle look like a perfectly straight line.

You and the rifle should be forming an backward " L " shape.

Such as: _|

The butt of the rifle will of course be pulled into your right shoulder. Your right arm will be running up the side the the stock opposite of you, where you thumb will rest lightly over the top of the pistol & grip fingers ever so lightly wrapped around the grip loosely.

Now, the other arm.. may be hard to explain... your left forearm, is running under the stock, & under your other forearm in the opposite direction. Your left hand ends up under the rear of the stock. Most of the time it will end up under the stock with your figers around the rear sling mount/stud.

Your left hand forms a "c" shape around a small bean bag, dirt filled sock, or heaven forbid a bonafied bench rest style rear bag which is supporting the rear of the stock. To raise your sights while looking through the scope you let pressure off the rear bag so the gun can mash down in it more. To lower the sights, you squeeze the bag with your left hand to raise the stock, thus lowering your sights.

I have no clue if this is clear to you or not!
If not send me a PM and I will send pictures!

One last illustration at the arm thing...

Hug yourself loosley... left arm under right. Now pretend your right hand is holding the pistol grip of the stock, your left hand holding the bean bag: presto- the classic "wrap around," or as I have more commonly heard it called the "cradle."

* After you familiarise yourself with this tecnigue, you will find what position is most comfortable for you. you will not end up in a perfect _| shape, but most likely you will end up lying around a 45 degree angle to your rifle.

Also know that the wrap around "cradle hold" is exactly the same off a bench rest or table. It's just that your seated off the side of the rifle & not behind it, cradling with your arms on the table.

Good shootin,

Tres

Sir, I'm new to a bipod, too. I have a heavy barreled 8mm Mauser that tends to jump to the right - alot. I seem to have to hold the bipod down with my left hand to keep it under 6" movement. I get 1" groups at 100 yards so far. Would I be able to control her with your method? Thank you.

 

[Comrade Terry]

Sir, I'm new to a bipod, too. I have a heavy barreled 8mm Mauser that tends to jump to the right - alot. I seem to have to hold the bipod down with my left hand to keep it under 6" movement. I get 1" groups at 100 yards so far. Would I be able to control her with your method? Thank you.

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TresMon was last seen: Jan 2, 2013

 

[CharlieNC]

Flinch the grip method you question is what you see in the cowboy movies when shooting a revolver with single handed grip. You will find more in-depth info for this shooting style on YouTube videos and SnipersHide, and much conflicts with what you have been told here so you will need to sort out whats best for you. One piece of advice I offer based on my journey is start building your foundation first using a rear bag height which is comfortable and stable for you then the bipod height should follow this lead, not vice-versa. Positional experiments can be efficiently done at home on the carpet, where its a bit easier to focus on this aspect vs distractions at the range.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Flinch the grip method you question is what you see in the cowboy movies when shooting a revolver with single handed grip. You will find more in-depth info for this shooting style on YouTube videos and SnipersHide, and much conflicts with what you have been told here so you will need to sort out whats best for you. One piece of advice I offer based on my journey is start building your foundation first using a rear bag height which is comfortable and stable for you then the bipod height should follow this lead, not vice-versa. Positional experiments can be efficiently done at home on the carpet, where its a bit easier to focus on this aspect vs distractions at the range.

^^This is pretty sound advice. Getting the fundamentals down a must, whether you want to be directly behind your rifle or at just a slight angle, it has to be comfortable for you.
One excellent drill is to shoot dots at 100, build a shooting position, fire one, get up and walk a few steps and get back down and repeat, keep doing this< good practice for bench shooting too. The minute you start manipulating your position, or grip on the rifle is when things go haywire. Everything needs to be repeatable.

 

[370bc]

The cowboys from Snipershide are shoot'n straight in this video. Frank is putting out some good podcasts these days on pod bean.
I love The Everyday Sniper's Podcast | The Everyday Sniper Episode 61 Terrapin X, JP Rifles Valkyrie, Tikka Cadex, let's play it! http://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-u3j57-91fc07

 

[Eric Leonard]

with a sling and no bipod I will get at an angle,,with a bipod I get straight behind the rifle and loading the bipod correctly is key to good follow through,,

 

[hogpatrol]