Help me decide which 6mm version - Dasher, BRA, BRX

[Alex Wheeler]

Look at the results from 2018 IBS 1000 yard Nationals. In my opinion, the Dasher kicked the BRA's ass even though there were more BRA's. If you couldn't get a Dasher to shoot, something was wrong, maybe reamer. I have my flame suit on. Matt

I doubt there were more BRAs at the Nats than Dashers. Either way that was not a match to base much from other than shooter skill. Some pretty tough conditions to say the least. Im betting most would have traded their 6mm in for a wsm that weekend. You know as well as anyone that you dont base a cartridges accuracy capabilities that way. You do it over many barrels in the best conditions you can find.

 

[dkhunt14]

I doubt there were more BRAs at the Nats than Dashers. Either way that was not a match to base much from other than shooter skill. Some pretty tough conditions to say the least. Im betting most would have traded their 6mm in for a wsm that weekend. You know as well as anyone that you dont base a cartridges accuracy capabilities that way. You do it over many barrels in the best conditions you can find.

At Williamsport we don't get that many good condition matches. It shows in the scores and groups shot in the relays. You know that also. Matt

 

[BartsBullets]

Look at the results from 2018 IBS 1000 yard Nationals. In my opinion, the Dasher kicked the BRA's ass even though there were more BRA's. If you couldn't get a Dasher to shoot, something was wrong, maybe reamer. I have my flame suit on. Matt

Oh I don’t disagree! When you get a really good reamer things get a lot better. I tried several different reamers and still couldn’t get the Dasher to shoot the way I thought it should. Some guys like Jason Walker, Carroll Lance and Tommy Jacobs have them humming. But that’s not been my experience!
The 6br, BRA and Grinch were all easier to get shoot.

Looks to me like the BRA took top honors for the smallest groups ever shot at 1000 and 600 this year. As well as 600 yard SOY AND 1000 yard SOY! So the BRA kicked a little butt as well!

Bart

 

[snowpro440]

Maybe it just didn't like the bullets ...

 

[Bugs]

Guys, this thread was allowed to wither on the vine way too soon. . . . It's the middle of December, deer season is over and we all need the entertainment. Let's not let a good pissin' match go to waste

 

[Joe Salt]

Let me say this I have a buddy that I got into 1000 yard shooting three years ago and he shoots a 6mm Dasher and on any give day that thing will kick your butt. He shoots it both days a Williamsport light and heavy class wins relays shoot off's both days and it is only a damn Palma barrel. But he is shooting really good bullets. If you think I'm Full of it ask Matt! I have a dasher that shoots well in good conditions but I did have a problem tunning at first but when I changed powder it started shooting a lot better.

Barrels and Bullets guys.

Joe Salt

 

[Raythemanroe]

Let me say this I have a buddy that I got into 1000 yard shooting three years ago and he shoots a 6mm Dasher and on any give day that thing will kick your butt. He shoots it both days a Williamsport light and heavy class wins relays shoot off's both days and it is only a damn Palma barrel. But he is shooting really good bullets. If you think I'm Full of it ask Matt! I have a dasher that shoots well in good conditions but I did have a problem tunning at first but when I changed powder it started shooting a lot better.

Barrels and Bullets guys.

Joe Salt

He told you to this didn't he?

Ray

 

[ckaberna]

Hello to everyone,Let me start by saying thank you for all the great info you share with newbies like me. I'am new to competition shooting and building my first benchrest rifle currently with Dave Bruno. I have chosen the 6BRA .268 neck exclusively for 600 IBS at the bridgeville De range ( i live 30 miles from there in Maryland) Roy Hunter LR stock, nightforce competition 15-55x52, Bat MB action , Bix n andy trigger, Krieger 28" 7.5 twist .237 barrel with Ezell tuner. I understand most shoot H4895 around 30 to 31 grains. I fully intend on testing with that powder starting low of course but would like to test other powders as well for the exact reason you stated Mr. Wheeler to avoid forcing a powder on a barrel. I don't want to just take what I read as exactly what I will use, I want the barrel to tell me what it wants. I just don't know where to start with other powders. Any suggestions would help greatly. Thanks again, J.D. Baker

RL-15

 

[Peebles24]

I have a stolle panda in 284 win i recently picked up as my f class rifle. Im thinking of making it a switch barrel setup as much for component cost as anything else.

Anyway i have acces to cheap barrels in straight 6br, would i really be giving up much of anything going with 6br at 600 yard midrange then my 284 for 1k. I know loading components will be about half as much, and recoil 1/4th as much.

 

[Evan]

I have a stolle panda in 284 win i recently picked up as my f class rifle. Im thinking of making it a switch barrel setup as much for component cost as anything else.

Anyway i have acces to cheap barrels in straight 6br, would i really be giving up much of anything going with 6br at 600 yard midrange then my 284 for 1k. I know loading components will be about half as much, and recoil 1/4th as much.

I don't think "straight 6BR" is really a bad answer to any question. Worst complaint I've ever heard about a straight 6BR is that it was boring. Too easy to work up a great load for and too easy to shoot well. That's one helluva weird thing to complain about if you ask me. These same guys probably also complain that modern cars are just too comfortable and easy to drive.

 

[Peebles24]

8lb of powder 180, dies 200, 200 brass 150, barrel 300 bullets 35/100, primers 60/1000.

So roughly 1240 dollars to shoot 13 matches and actually less than that cause barrel will have more than half life left and a little less than 4 pounds of powder. Dies last a lifetime and brass would have lots of life left.

Vs my 284 brux for 1000 rounds at 890 for just powder, bullets and primers. New barrel 775, brass is 100/100.

Just the money factor would pay for itself in a season or 2

 

[CacheCropp]

Look at the results from 2018 IBS 1000 yard Nationals. In my opinion, the Dasher kicked the BRA's ass even though there were more BRA's. If you couldn't get a Dasher to shoot, something was wrong, maybe reamer. I have my flame suit on. Matt

This ^^^^

Various Dasher reamers and Lapua/Norma brass differences is likely the culprit for at least some of the issues...

 

[JFrank]

8lb of powder 180, dies 200, 200 brass 150, barrel 300 bullets 35/100, primers 60/1000.

So roughly 1240 dollars to shoot 13 matches and actually less than that cause barrel will have more than half life left and a little less than 4 pounds of powder. Dies last a lifetime and brass would have lots of life left.

Vs my 284 brux for 1000 rounds at 890 for just powder, bullets and primers. New barrel 775, brass is 100/100.

Just the money factor would pay for itself in a season or 2

Actually
To adjust those cost,
Harrell's Die $75
Wilson seater $78
Powder- 30gr x1000 =30000 divided by 7000 gr per pound =4.2 pounds x $30= $128
Brass 100 should last for ten reload sessions $100
1000 Berger 108 $360
Primer you gotta buy anyway
Total $741

 

[ngb1787]

Go out and become a great wind reader and you can beat anyone with any rifle

 

[Nature Boy]

Go out and become a great wind reader and you can beat anyone with any rifle

I’m going to get right on that.


See you in 20-30 years

 

[Falfan2017]

I have a stolle panda in 284 win i recently picked up as my f class rifle. Im thinking of making it a switch barrel setup as much for component cost as anything else.

Anyway i have acces to cheap barrels in straight 6br, would i really be giving up much of anything going with 6br at 600 yard midrange then my 284 for 1k. I know loading components will be about half as much, and recoil 1/4th as much.

I’m going to try a dasher/ brx with the Sierra 110. Gives up almost nothing to the 284 in wind resistance at 600 with cheaper loads and less recoil.

 

[Puzzaz01]

I’m going to try a dasher/ brx with the Sierra 110. Gives up almost nothing to the 284 in wind resistance at 600 with cheaper loads and less recoil.

Hmmmm think I might try one too! Lol...

Darrin

 

[swd]

I’m going to try a dasher/ brx with the Sierra 110. Gives up almost nothing to the 284 in wind resistance at 600 with cheaper loads and less recoil.

At 600 it’s a great combination and it holds up pretty well at 1K too.

 

[DennisH]

I’m going to try a dasher/ brx with the Sierra 110. Gives up almost nothing to the 284 in wind resistance at 600 with cheaper loads and less recoil.

I have the BRX & DASHER, and both love the 107 smk's! I also until last month have a 284 Win. All are great rifles.

I would have to state the BRX has a slight edge over all of them! I also have a 6br for practice and trigger time. It's also very accurate.

Below is my 6br target when I was playing around with one day and getting some trigger time in. The 108 BIB's are awesome! One day I might try them in my other 6mm's. Maybe my DASHER! I love my DASHER, but the BRX takes overall shooting bug holes!

The 6BR is hands down the cheapest rifle to shoot. (in the right hands, it can be used for hunting and competitions. It's easy on barrels and brass, fun to shoot. Even my 223 cost a little more to shoot. I try to use my DASHER & BRX for matches only. Maybe one day I will get on the line with my 6BR!

On my BRX, I am able to stuff a very healthy load of Varget/RL15 in the case. Believe it or not, the name "Beckman" who is featured in one of the "Gun Week" articles on this site posted his "healthy" BRX load and was kicking butt @ 1,000 yards. I "copied" his load 100% and had to alter it just a bit, less than 5%. It probably is the easiest rifle I have ever dialed in a load for.

DISCLAIMER: I am only showing the load as a reference. I don't recommend "anyone" using this load. If so, I feel you should be safe starting @ 29 grains, and working up. Also jump your bullets when starting, then work in. I have seen .002 difference in seating depth make a huge difference. Same with just swamping out primers. It all matters.

NOTE: The red center dot circle is about the size of a #2 pencil eraser!

 

[DennisH]

Let me say this I have a buddy that I got into 1000 yard shooting three years ago and he shoots a 6mm Dasher and on any give day that thing will kick your butt. He shoots it both days a Williamsport light and heavy class wins relays shoot off's both days and it is only a damn Palma barrel. But he is shooting really good bullets. If you think I'm Full of it ask Matt! I have a dasher that shoots well in good conditions but I did have a problem tunning at first but when I changed powder it started shooting a lot better.

Barrels and Bullets guys.

Joe Salt

Barrels, Bullets, Prep, and Trigger Time all makes a difference. I stated above, just a little change will make a big difference!

On a few of my rifles, I use "Heavy Palma's". I personally don't feel you need a full 1.00" plus Bull shooting 6mm's.

I welcome opinions on my statement, "Heavy Palma's".

Happy New Year,
Dennis

PS: I am still amazed at my BRX's performance. I will set this barrel back when it's time. And I normally don't even think about setting barrels back!