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Harrells BR Premium PM- Does this work for anyone?

My wife recently got me a Harrell’s BR premium powder measure for my birthday and I must say I’m deeply disappointed in its performance. I’m wondering if anyone here is having good luck with this model from them and if so what powders are you using.
Up until now I’ve been using a Hornady and it has worked great. My powder of choice is RL15 and with a close eye on my form it will throw charges that are very close. Now I’m fully expecting to get a ton of people saying that my form is bad, I’m bumping to much or too little ect… Without going into too much detail I will just say the “form” was about as perfect as could be, the speed of the dump and fill stroke were identical every time.
Nothing seemed to help to increase consistency of the charges. After the dismal outing with my beloved RL15 I wanted to throw it a soft ball so I tried some TAC and BLC2, powders that throw incredibly well in my cheap Hornady. I once again found the Harrell’s had near triple the amount of variation, and this is with the Harrell’s being automated against the Hornady which are still being done by hand.

My gut tells me the design of the Harrell’s chamber does not promote even filling. I feel the undercuts in the chamber profile leave a lot of room for packing/filling anomalies. I’m also finding a substantial problem with powder getting stuck between the chamber dump and the tube. If anyone as looked close you can see where the steel tube is pressed into the aluminum body. At this point there is some very odd geometry, not as seamless as I would like to see. At the end of the day I’m left puzzled on how these measures can be so well liked. I hope I can get my money back. I’m now leaning towards one of the Redding units or possibly the Hornady BR version or just make my own.

I quickly drew up the chamber profile of the Harrell’s vs the Hornady, and yes they are to scale. The red arrows are pointing to the area that troubles me.

chamber.jpg



This is by no means a knock on Harrell’s. The build quality of there stuff seems very top notch. I love the combo press I have from them. I’m simply trying to grasp how their powder measurers have gained such a following when it would appear the design as got some issues. If there is something I’m missing I’d love to hear it. Is there a model out there that they make that is better than the one I picked up? My pet load being 39.1 grains of RL15 I thought this would be the right choice for me.

My next step will be making a mock chamber that duplicates the geometry of the Harrell’s, only this will have a clear window on one side. I’m curious to see how the powder fills in. If the experiment works I’ll be sure to post pics.

Thanks in advance for any advice/comments you have.
 
I have one and it works extremely well. My suggestion is to contact Harrells and discuss or even sent it back for an inspection. They have a return policy thats unbelievable. They will let a customer try a unit if he likes it he pays, if he doesnt the customers sends it back. Just doesnt get any better. Larry in western ky.
 
LarryDScott said:
I have one and it works extremely well. My suggestion is to contact Harrells and discuss or even sent it back for an inspection. They have a return policy thats unbelievable. They will let a customer try a unit if he likes it he pays, if he doesnt the customers sends it back. Just doesnt get any better. Larry in western ky.

Define extremely well +- .2gr? An inspection is not needed, this unit is tip top. I'm a prototyping machinist by trade and could tell in a second if there was an issue with the workmanship, there is not. Like I said this isn't really a knock on Harrell’s, its pains me to even have to bring it up as they are such nice folks. It just doesn’t seem to repeat like the ones with a tubular chamber. I’m looking for real word users with THIS model. If you like it what powders are you using? What accuracy are you observing?
 
FYI
New they have a bit 0f static / Once they get coated with some of the coating from the powders they become top notch.
I had trouble with one of mine for a while. it turned out to be static electricty in the bottles.
I used a cling free sheet and my troubles went away after a while.
 
RAGGED, if you have a powder measure that won't throw a ball powder, such as TAC, you have a serious problem. Instead of griping on this board, call Harrel's and let them fix it. In the time it took you to do the drawing and post 2 posts, you could have had a very good conversation with Lynwood and probably have your problem solved. JMHO!
 
Harrells will bend over backwards to fix your issue. I have the premium and it works excellent with Varget and R15.
 
FYI
New they have a bit 0f static / Once they get coated with some of the coating from the powders they become top notch.
I had trouble with one of mine for a while. it turned out to be static electricty in the bottles.
I used a cling free sheet and my troubles went away after a while.

Been there and done that, but none the less good advice as it did help. There is no static as of now. Its seen 3+ pounds of powder thru it, define “some”. At what point should I considered it properly “coated”


DocEd said:
RAGGED, if you have a powder measure that won't throw a ball powder, such as TAC, you have a serious problem. Instead of griping on this board, call Harrel's and let them fix it. In the time it took you to do the drawing and post 2 posts, you could have had a very good conversation with Lynwood and probably have your problem solved. JMHO!

Of course it throws ball powder, but +/- .2 grains on BLC2 is unacceptable as the Hornady throws charges with 3 times the accuracy. I'm not gripping, I'm trying to find some people that are using this specific measurer, and if they are I want to know what accuracy they are seeing. Do you own this model?



ridgeway said:
Harrells will bend over backwards to fix your issue. I have the premium and it works excellent with Varget and R15.

And I never said they wouldn’t. There is nothing wrong with the unit. Please define excellent. I'm unaware of the numerical tolerance that correlates with “excellent”.
 
My measure w/any ball powder will drop on the money 99% of the time. As the kernels of powder enlarge so does the error. The error is usually anywhere for .1to.2 of a grain depending on the powder used. I dont consider this as a problem since my loads are usually not at max, and if I do go there I'm going to ck everyone or use my Chargemaster. Larry in western Ky.
 
RAGGED said:
And I never said they wouldn’t. There is nothing wrong with the unit. Please define excellent. I'm unaware of the numerical tolerance that correlates with “excellent”.
My digital scale only reads to a 1/10 and all my throws are within +/- .2 at the most. Mostly within 1/10 if you are looking for numbers. I could care less about the margin if error of the PM. My main concern is having a consistent velocity and a low ES/SD, which I do. This is the end result I'm concerned about...
 

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Static in the bottle/measure is a likely culprit. Winter and dry heat increase this exponentially. Put a ground from the measure to earth and see if this helps. Secondly, throw a pound or so through it and let it break in. I think that you'll be mildly pleased with the results.
Mark
 
The other day, I ran some tests with my Harrell's Deluxe, the one with the roller bearings. Using careful technique, I got +- .12 grains with VV133 and +- .07 with exterminator. In my experience, 322, and Benchmark are easier to throw than 133. I can probably stay within +- .1 with these. Some people use ground wires on their measures, and find this makes a difference. I have not tried this yet. One other thing, with the typical balance measure, if you measure the same weight five times in a row, the pointer will not return exactly to the same place each time, and .1 grain difference makes very little difference in pointer position. Have you wiped the inside of of every part of the measure with a used dryer sheet and thrown a couple of pounds of powder (Black stuff is better, because of the graphite coating.)? As far as powder hanging up at the top ofthe drop tube goes, make sure that the tube is fully seated. If you tighten it with a gap, you will have problems.
 
I use a few pounds of surplus Pull down powder. 846
It turned the bottles quickly Chuckel
Non the less it did the job.
I really hope this cures your problem
Harrells are top notch measures.
 
Question on this measure
Does it have the flat baffle in the bottom.
The one with the large hex head type hole?
 
Ragged, yes I have 2 Harrell's, 3 Culver's and and old Redding. The Redding has been retired in favor of the others. Good Luck in your endeavor.
 
markr said:
Static in the bottle/measure is a likely culprit. Winter and dry heat increase this exponentially. Put a ground from the measure to earth and see if this helps. Secondly, throw a pound or so through it and let it break in. I think that you'll be mildly pleased with the results.
Mark

I've used the dryer sheets to no end & and the entire rig is grounded. I fully understand the static situation, when I first took it out of the box it was really bad, but it seems to be static free now. I haven’t seen a kernel hang up in the tube in awhile. Also you may have missed it but I have run 3 lbs+ thru this measure.

BoydAllen said:
The other day, I ran some tests with my Harrell's Deluxe, the one with the roller bearings. Using careful technique, I got +- .12 grains with VV133 and +- .07 with exterminator. In my experience, 322, and Benchmark are easier to throw than 133. I can probably stay within +- .1 with these. Some people use ground wires on their measures, and find this makes a difference. I have not tried this yet. One other thing, with the typical balance measure, if you measure the same weight five times in a row, the pointer will not return exactly to the same place each time, and .1 grain difference makes very little difference in pointer position. Have you wiped the inside of of every part of the measure with a used dryer sheet and thrown a couple of pounds of powder (Black stuff is better, because of the graphite coating.)? As far as powder hanging up at the top ofthe drop tube goes, make sure that the tube is fully seated. If you tighten it with a gap, you will have problems.

Good advice, unfortunately the tube is seated perfect, as far up as it will go.


GerryM said:
Question on this measure
Does it have the flat baffle in the bottom.
The one with the large hex head type hole?

Yes, flat baffle, large hex head hole. Is that good or bad?

Here are some pics of the rig, no fancy anodizing yet but you get the idea


hpbr001.jpg



hpbr004.jpg


and one short video clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WaY1n2sCdU
 
I forgot to mention that I removed the baffle, the one that GerryM mentioned in his post. It seemed to work better without it.
 
BoydAllen said:
I forgot to mention that I removed the baffle, the one that GerryM mentioned in his post. It seemed to work better without it.
Thanks, I will try that. Do you feel adding a different baffle would help? Maybe a little higher up and made out of sheet metal like some of the others out there? I know I've made baffles and fitted them to other in the past, pretty simple ordeal.
 
Who were you speaking to? I certainly didn't trash its performance, and the baffle is made to be removable. Slow day?
 
I use a lot of Varget, and unfortunately my Harrells dosen't work very well with big sticks like Varget so I weigh every charge.
Conversely using AA 2520 it throw's it almost perfectly every time, so I only spot weigh now and then just to keep things honest when using 2520.

Danny
 

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