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Green dot for 9mm load data

I am very new to reloading, and I have read that the GD can be used for 9mm. When I looked it up I couldn't find any load data on it. The reason I bought the GD was because I cant find anything other than IMR4756, which I have used but seems to be un accurate, very sooty and wont cycle very well even with a heavier load. I am using a 124gr FMJ,RN, does, or has anyone loaded 9mm with this?
Please help a new guy,
thanks
 
You might try this link:

http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=5467&caliber=9mm&caliberid=60&header=9mm%20Caliber%20Reloading%20Data

Cort
 
Wow, thanks so much! I went to it and realized that you have to pay for the info.
I ended up talking to a couple of my buddies and, and they recommended that I start low around
3.9. I tried it out and acually went up to 4.3 and it shot great! No jams or anything. As a matter of fact
I think I might even like it better than the sr4756. The only thing is still bugging me is the accuracy, still
Not shooting very straight. I'm starting to wonder about the seating depths, the Case trim lengths call for
.751 or I've seen .749, all my brass in all makes doesn't ever measure to either of those before I've even
Trimmed. Everyone I talk to about that has no idea?
 
I don't shoot 9mm, only .45 ACP and .22 LR. With my .45 ACP, I have never trimmed my brass (or even measured it) and have never had a problem. I use a taper crimp; which doesn't need a consistent trim length. If you roll crimp, then you want a consistent length so that your crimps are all consistent; otherwise your accuracy and velocity both suffer. I assume you are using a taper crimp with your 9mm. Consequently, I would not worry about my case lengths.

Seating depth in semi-automatic pistols is driven more by reliable operation than by accuracy. How does your pistol shoot with quality, commercial loads?

Have you chronographed your re-loads? Wide variations in muzzle velocity greatly affects accuracy.

Are you using quality bullets? Good bullets need clean, flat bases to shoot accurately and should be of reasonably consistent weight. Plated bullets tend not to be as accurate as hard cast, lead bullets or quality, jacketed bullets.

Cort
 
I am using a tapered crimp, it's a hornady 3 piece die set. I thought the case had to be trimmed simply for the reason when you seat you'll have consistency, and won't have to keep adjusting the die to achieve OAL. I am using a hornady FMJ, RN. I bought in bulk, and it doesn't say if it's jacketed or not. Just looking at It though the center is lead and the outside of it has about .50 thousandths of platted looking brass( I know it's not brass though) when I shoot factory ammo through my XDM it hits center very consistently ( if I understood what you were saying about the seating with semi--auto pistols.
 
I shot Green Dot with 115 FMJ using 5 gr's and it shot good for me. That was Hercules powder not Alliant, so work up as burning rates have changed in many of the powders. The old Unique was a good powder also in the 9mm. Power Pistol is supposed to be a powder for the 9mm that was developed for the military, I have shot a little and I do like it for max velocity loads.
 
Ya this is alliants green dot. Do you think the load amount could affect the accuracy?also I just tried out five rounds with out a crimp, using the 124gr FMJ RN and a 147gr XTP both hornady and had the same accuracy problem. I am really stumped on this one. It reminds me of a women, finicky and unpredictable.
 
What kind of accuracy are you seeing range and group info. My pistol was shooting about 3-4" at about 15 yds for self defence, three rounds off a sand bag. It was a factory Browning HP. 115 Fmj's and Hornady 115 XTP not crimped, fmj's not quit as good as the HP's. I did have a tight neck tension as I polished the expander down on RCBS die. The Unique was the more accurate powder and the faster load as listed in a lyman book.
 
It's kinda strange, out of five rounds at 10 yards two won't even hit the 10" by10" target. The other three are grouped, but about 3-4 inches out. This is with using the imr4756 and alliant green dot. I went back and double checked everything, my case lengths are around .745 instead of .749 , I'm using a win small pistol primer and everything else looks good. Factory blazer ammo groups great compared to the reloaded ammo.
 
It sounds like the gun does not like the load. What bullet was in the Blazer ammo? You may have a twist rate problem with the 124 gr and 147 gr bullet. I would go to a loading manual looking for their most accurate load and try that. My Hornady manual had the best accuracy with Blue Dot and the 124 FMJ (flat nose) that they make. They also recommend little or no crimp on the 9mm. I do not think your case lengths is the problem. You may see what Quick Load shows about your load data, I do not have Quick Load and assume it shows pistol data.
 
I'm using a 115 gr FMJ with the factory blazer ammo. I'm shooting a full size Springfield XDM . I will check out the best load in a couple of manuals I guess, that's good advice! I'm gonna keep playing with some smaller grained different loads in the mean time. I'll let you know what I come up with, and thanks for all your help! This is how I'm learning this stuff!!
 
Wow, thanks so much! I went to it and realized that you have to pay for the info.
I ended up talking to a couple of my buddies and, and they recommended that I start low around
3.9. I tried it out and acually went up to 4.3 and it shot great! No jams or anything. As a matter of fact
I think I might even like it better than the sr4756. The only thing is still bugging me is the accuracy, still
Not shooting very straight. I'm starting to wonder about the seating depths, the Case trim lengths call for
.751 or I've seen .749, all my brass in all makes doesn't ever measure to either of those before I've even
Trimmed. Everyone I talk to about that has no idea?
If you have an old Alliant soft cover reloading manual it shows 115 grain bullet with a maximum of 4.7 grains of the Alliant Green Dot. Of course is says to start 10% lower than max. so 4.3 to 4.7.
 
I have an Alliant Reloader's Guide, magazine format, I've never found a date on it but it's probably 20 years old. The companies selling reloading components used to send them to the retail outlets before the internet became as established as it is today.

Maximum for a 115gr FMJ was 4.7gr of GD with a 1.12"OAL, 30k psi.
Maximum for a 125gr FMJ was 5.2gr of GD with a 1.15"OAL, 32.1k psi.

They had no minimum loads, but recommended starting 10% lower than Max.

I believe this is prior to their changing something to make their powders burn cleaner.

Comparing the 1987 date and the above, there are differences in both the psi and the OAL.
 
I am using a tapered crimp, it's a hornady 3 piece die set. I thought the case had to be trimmed simply for the reason when you seat you'll have consistency, and won't have to keep adjusting the die to achieve OAL. I am using a hornady FMJ, RN. I bought in bulk, and it doesn't say if it's jacketed or not. Just looking at It though the center is lead and the outside of it has about .50 thousandths of platted looking brass( I know it's not brass though) when I shoot factory ammo through my XDM it hits center very consistently ( if I understood what you were saying about the seating with semi--auto pistols.
A three die set, sounds like you are seating and crimping at the same step, is that correct? If that's what you're doing, that could explain the accuracy problems you're experiencing. Crimping (taper) should be done as a fourth and separate step from bullet seating. I did it this way for several years and had the same problems you posted. My suggestion is to get a taper crimp die and apply it as an additional step in the loading process. I use a LEE factory crimp die, the one with the carbide insert at the bottom of the die. The carbide ring will usually iron out any small discrepancies (Glock bulge) the case may have if you use range brass of unknown pedigree. Replace the POS LEE lock ring with a good split ring and you're ready to make ammo. Just remember to back the seating die out so it no longer tries to crimp when seating bullets.
 

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