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In June 2023, Colorado enacted a law prohibiting the purchase, sale, transfer, and possession of un-serialized firearms, firearm frames or receivers,

Unserialized firearms? Frames? Receivers? There’s no such thing except 80% AR lowers? That I know of….

Cowboy state daily is a left leaning turd. What is this? Colorado has been lost years ago. Probably why magpul moved out of there up the road to Cheyenne, is it? Can’t buy a magazine because it’s not serialized??
 
In the article:

In June 2023, Colorado enacted a law prohibiting the purchase, sale, transfer, and possession of un-serialized firearms, firearm frames or receivers,

Unserialized firearms? Frames? Receivers? There’s no such thing except 80% AR lowers? That I know of….

Cowboy state daily is a left leaning turd. What is this? Colorado has been lost years ago. Probably why magpul moved out of there up the road to Cheyenne, is it? Can’t buy a magazine because it’s not serialized??
If you build a Firearm for self use, it is not required to have a serial number. So an 80% kit is not required to have one, nor any other self built firearm. By federal law they can be transferred without a serial number. The key wording is intent and for business. You can’t intentionally build a firearm for sale, without a serial number. But you can build one for your own purposes and change your mind. It’s a very grey area. The ATF highly recommends adding a serial number.

I’ll add that since serial numbers were not required on firearms before 1968, there are plenty out there that are still transferred legally. The line on the 4473 is marked “none”, or at least used to be.
 
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If you build a Firearm for self use, it is not required to have a serial number. So an 80% kit is not required to have one, nor any other self built firearm. By federal law they can be transferred without a serial number. The key wording is intent and for business. You can’t intentionally build a firearm for sale, without a serial number. But you can build one for your own purposes and change your mind. It’s a very grey area. The ATF highly recommends adding a serial number.

I’ll add that since serial numbers were not required on firearms before 1968, there are plenty out there that are still transferred legally. The line on the 4473 is marked “none”, or at least used to be.
Just seems like a lot of nothing.

Can’t transfer a firearm with no serial number to your buddy? How exactly is this enforced?

In the grand scheme of things this seems like minutiae. Especially in Colorado. But what I see as problems the majority there must be thinking is a solution. It’s bad. Those kind of people are moving here too, sucks.
 
^^^^ So the 80% thing didn't happen until the 1968 laws?
Not sure what the question is, of if directed to me. If so I was responding to this.
Unserialized firearms? Frames? Receivers? There’s no such thing except 80% AR lowers? That I know of….
Which was backed up by this

Just seems like a lot of nothing.

Can’t transfer a firearm with no serial number to your buddy? How exactly is this enforced?

In the grand scheme of things this seems like minutiae. Especially in Colorado. But what I see as problems the majority there must be thinking is a solution. It’s bad. Those kind of people are moving here too, sucks.
The Colorado laws created instant criminals with the stroke of a pen. Easily in the thousands, if not 10’s of thousands. So if you owned a prototype 1911 with no serial number in Colorado, you had a choice of moving it out of state, risk jail and confiscation/destruction, or stamp a number in it. You certainly wouldn’t risk being seen with it in public. Think of the collectible displays at gun shows and even museums. All because the state of Colorado once again chose to ignore federal law.

Technically yes, the gun control act of 1968, created the market for 80% kits. Since the act established transfer laws and ended some really interesting firearm related purchasing possibilities like, anonymous mail order delivered direct to your front door, or to assassin, care of general delivery, some post office somewhere. The 80% market was created. How close to a functioning firearm can be bought and sold without paper work.

What made the market start to take off was the sunsetting of the Assault Weapons Ban in 1996, birth of the internet, Sandy Hook, and increasingly aggressive state and National restrictions or proposals. When the market and ways to fill that market grew enough for people to take notice, ways o shut it down, also increased.

The catalyst could arguably be directed at one California company that not only sold 80% AR15 kits and all the other needed components, pretty much in the same package. Then allowed you the use of their machine shop by taking a class to more or less walk in, buy the components, walk to the building next door assemble your fire arm, walk out with fully functioning banned rifle.

That was seen as creating an industry of selling and manufacturing “Privately Manufactured Firearms”.

2022, ATF changed definitions once again. This time it was the definition of what constituted “gunsmithing”. The way it was worded, things like adding a recoil pad or changing sights, could require a manufacturing license. A lot of local gun shops stopped offering some services. A lot threw in the towel, true profit was in the installed upgrades.

So, yes this ruling, if it can stand, is a big deal.
 
Not sure what the question is, of if directed to me. If so I was responding to this.

Which was backed up by this


The Colorado laws created instant criminals with the stroke of a pen. Easily in the thousands, if not 10’s of thousands. So if you owned a prototype 1911 with no serial number in Colorado, you had a choice of moving it out of state, risk jail and confiscation/destruction, or stamp a number in it. You certainly wouldn’t risk being seen with it in public. Think of the collectible displays at gun shows and even museums. All because the state of Colorado once again chose to ignore federal law.

Technically yes, the gun control act of 1968, created the market for 80% kits. Since the act established transfer laws and ended some really interesting firearm related purchasing possibilities like, anonymous mail order delivered direct to your front door, or to assassin, care of general delivery, some post office somewhere. The 80% market was created. How close to a functioning firearm can be bought and sold without paper work.

What made the market start to take off was the sunsetting of the Assault Weapons Ban in 1996, birth of the internet, Sandy Hook, and increasingly aggressive state and National restrictions or proposals. When the market and ways to fill that market grew enough for people to take notice, ways o shut it down, also increased.

The catalyst could arguably be directed at one California company that not only sold 80% AR15 kits and all the other needed components, pretty much in the same package. Then allowed you the use of their machine shop by taking a class to more or less walk in, buy the components, walk to the building next door assemble your fire arm, walk out with fully functioning banned rifle.

That was seen as creating an industry of selling and manufacturing “Privately Manufactured Firearms”.

2022, ATF changed definitions once again. This time it was the definition of what constituted “gunsmithing”. The way it was worded, things like adding a recoil pad or changing sights, could require a manufacturing license. A lot of local gun shops stopped offering some services. A lot threw in the towel, true profit was in the installed upgrades.

So, yes this ruling, if it can stand, is a big deal.
I’m blissfully ignorant. It’s even worse than I imagined. Colorado. But what’s holding them back from ignoring federal laws, like marijuana, isn’t that illegal federally? Nobody cares about that?

We need our own southern wall
 
I’m blissfully ignorant. It’s even worse than I imagined. Colorado. But what’s holding them back from ignoring federal laws, like marijuana, isn’t that illegal federally? Nobody cares about that?

We need our own southern wall
If we could put a moat around the Denver metro area, we'd be mighty fine.

And yes, ignore what federal law they want, but yet they create all these piss poor rules for whatever they dislike, yep, that's our legislature and governor.
 
If we could put a moat around the Denver metro area, we'd be mighty fine.

And yes, ignore what federal law they want, but yet they create all these piss poor rules for whatever they dislike, yep, that's our legislature and governor.
“That” is popping up around here more and more. Like noxious weeds. If there’s an area that’s got a view, mountains, rivers, etc, you can meet people that are from Cali or wherever, they don’t even have to say anything :rolleyes:
 
The thing I'll never understand is people who leave one State or area because they don't want to live with the consequences, and set about re-creating the SAME CONSEQUENCES where they have moved.

Talk about taking a lesson but not learning anything.......

WoW.
 
We are experiencing this the last ten years here in Idaho. liberals from Kal & Kol leaving the Shyteholes they created to come here and want to change this state to match...
 
We are experiencing this the last ten years here in Idaho. liberals from Kal & Kol leaving the Shyteholes they created to come here and want to change this state to match...
Yeah.

In the 80’s and 90’s I didn’t think Colorado was THAT bad, but I was younger, just thought Denver was a huge crazy city. We never stayed long. Just for the stock show.

But it’s too close now, all that stuff. Should be on the coasts.
 

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