Good bed job vs poor bedding

[jghoghunter]

I'm not say that acraglass is the best I'm saying that I've along with some friends and gunsmith have never had any trouble with it. I am saying the release agent that is brownells is the best that I have ever used and I've tried everything listed here with the exception of the wd-40.

 

[jsthntn247]

I'm looking for ideas on how to tell if the bedding job when well or needs to be redone. I broke down and tried the release again that comes with Accraglas since I wasn't satisfied with the release of the particular carnauba wax I was using. The issue I have is that it seemed really touch to get an even layer of the brownells release agent that comes with the kit. I had all kinds of the blue crud to clean off the action & the cured bedding compound. I'm concerned the skin from the release was too thick & I didn't do the job properly. With the horizontal stringing I'm blaming the bed job as I wasn't happy with it. I know the only real way to know for sure is to shoot a few more loads when the weather breaks. With that being said, I'm wondering how you guys determine whether the bed job is good or bad.

As to your original question. You need a magnetic base and dial micrometer to test for deflection. You can get one from harbor freight for about 20$ and if you plan on bedding a few rifles, it wouldn't be a bad idea. You want less than .003 movement when tightening and loosening the action screws.

 

[Area Man]

So last night, I just reassembled my Savage with wet bedding material for overnight wait when I logged on here to read the forums. Of course a thread about bedding grabbed my eye. Interesting stuff.

Oh, and of course I used Acraglas.

It's the Model 12 BR and came pillar bedded from the factory and the pillars were (and still are) contacting the action, so it might have been a waste of time anyway.

It came apart fine this AM. However, when I loosen the front most of the three action screws, I feel the barrel / stock gap move just a little. I don't know if it did this before the bedding job.

I feel that all three pillars are still touching the action based on the way they feel when they tighten up.

I had a piece of painters tape under the recoil lug and didn't bed in front of the recoil lug.

I'm considering put a dab of Acraglas under the recoil lug and a skim around and in front of the front action screw and then tightening the middle and back screws while it sets.

Thoughts?

 

[Area Man]

And I have a dial indicator with a magnetic base but it won't stay put on a round barrel. I'd like to see how someone sets this up.

 

[6xcshooter]

The five shots groups were shot with friends at reade range and Mifflin co range. Most of the 10 shot groups were shot at Williamsport and reade range during matches. Since I bought my company I haven't been able to shoot as much as I use to. I spend most of my time working. 2009 was my best year I was in the top 10 at williamsports world open that year I was also I believe 13th at the Pa States at reade range that year. So in case you are curious I can shoot I just don't have the time I would like to devote to it. In case you are curious there is an article over at Long Range Hunting where we have a acraglas bedded rig that we killed a prairie dog at 2218 yds and where we were able to pound the hell out of the pd mounds out to 2 Miles but we just never connected on a pd. It takes 10 seconds for the bullet to get there and if you know anything about pd they never stand still for 10 seconds but we will get one, one of these trips.
Nice try.

"we were able to pound the hell out of the pd mounds out to 2 Miles but we just never connected on a pd. "

check this out on your ballistic calculators
105 gr 6mm bullet going 3050 muzzle velocity .547 bc sighted in at 200 yrds
how do you see a pd at 3520 yards?
bullet speed some where around 649 fps. at 3520 yrds
bullet drop of 14606 inches at 3520 yrds
wind drift 1206 inches at 3520 yrds
338 lapua going 2949fps 250 gr .675 bc sighted in at 200yrds
3500 yrds 723 fps 11732 inch drop 1016 wind deflect @10mph
all at a 3inch by 9 inch target
now that is what i call an impossible shot ;D

 

[BigDMT]

After listening to some of those shots I'm convinced that the bullets have wings and are powered by rockets ;D

Funny how when you read about a military sniper from Canada setting the record for the longest confirmed kill shot at over 2550 yards he was using a McMillan custom rifle in 50 BMG with a NightForce scope. The scope turrets were completely maxed out for windage and elevation and he was holding max windage and elevation possible with the mildot reticle to make the shot. And I believe he missed the first couple of shots before connecting

But somehow jghoghunter's rifles can dang near hit a prairie dog, or at least it's very small mound at 2 miles....and consistently too!!! It's GOTTA be that Acraglas :

jghoghunter, you know I'm just messing with you right? But seriously...2 miles? Come on...

 

[jmd]

I appreciate all of the side tips and information. I'll definitely have to look at some of the other release agent options. I never heard of using kiwi until now. I admit I'm not a benchrest guy, but I've been able to get my hunting rifles to 1/4 MOA with bedding and load development. I've never had issues with Acraglas, but I will definitely give Devcon a try since I've also never felt that Acraglas was the best. I'll also look at grabbing a dial indicator at work to borrow. In regards to indicating it, my question is how would you not see some movement if the front, sides, and bottom are the recoil lug are tapped when it is bedded?

 

[jghoghunter]

Once again those who are to dumb to try or can't even imagine how to start to try sit around on their computers and run down those that at least get out and try. By the way never claimed to be a sniper didn't kill that pd on the first shot at 2218 and didn't hit the mound on the first shot at 2 miles. Also never said I used a 6mm of any kind. Incidentally the world record on a varmint kill is 3160 and that was the record we were going for and tried to stretch it to 2 miles we failed to kill but at least we tried then wrote about instead of sitting at our computers and running ballistics tables and telling those who have tried how it can't be done. Maybe if my name was Gordy Gritters you might believe because he's been trying for the 2 mile kill just as long as we have and hasn't had a confirmed kill yet either. So until all you computer shooters get out there and try it you can all go pound sand.

The one year we were trying there was 8 people with us shooting pd along with the 2 guides.

 

[jmd]

is this the Devcon everyone is speaking of?
http://www.zorotools.com/g/00060916/k-G2114576?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&kw={keyword}&gclid=CI7muZWk17wCFcERMwodfRoAJw

 

[BigDMT]

Once again those who are to dumb to try or can't even imagine how to start to try sit around on their computers and run down those that at least get out and try. By the way never claimed to be a sniper didn't kill that pd on the first shot at 2218 and didn't hit the mound on the first shot at 2 miles. Also never said I used a 6mm of any kind. Incidentally the world record on a varmint kill is 3160 and that was the record we were going for and tried to stretch it to 2 miles we failed to kill but at least we tried then wrote about instead of sitting at our computers and running ballistics tables and telling those who have tried how it can't be done. Maybe if my name was Gordy Gritters you might believe because he's been trying for the 2 mile kill just as long as we have and hasn't had a confirmed kill yet either. So until all you computer shooters get out there and try it you can all go pound sand.

The one year we were trying there was 8 people with us shooting pd along with the 2 guides.

I can fling rounds out there at 2 miles too. Eventually I'm gonna hit something that is a record :

 

[jghoghunter]

I would encourage you to get out and try instead of just sitting at your computer and telling others that it can't be done.

 

[VaniB]

is this the Devcon everyone is speaking of?
http://www.zorotools.com/g/00060916/k-G2114576?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&kw={keyword}&gclid=CI7muZWk17wCFcERMwodfRoAJw

Yes. In fact that is the same company that I bought mine from.

 

[jghoghunter]

We got more proof than you can shake a stick at. We have the guides, people from other states that hunted out of the same outfitter, pictures etc. Just because you are not able to do it and are to lazy to try why do you have to run the people down that have tried. Bragging on the internet, you are the only person I know of that has 2. something post per day. That tells me that you are a computer shooter or "armchair quarterback". But your right you know all about everything at least you post about everything so I will just keep my computer quiet from now on so you can tell us how its done.

 

[BigDMT]

Are you finished?

 

[NateHaler]

My first bedding job i used Tana universal leather wax, spray can.
(i live in the Netherlands) and kiwi not really a brand overhere.

Onley downside of this spray can was, my gun smelled like new shoes for half a year.

Johan, thanks for the laugh!

 

[wilbur300wsm]

Hey big, question, the sniper you mentioned, the one that took multiple shots at his target, aren't they calling that a record? Whether is was one shot, three or a hundred they are still calling that a record. And sorry if I'm by jacking a little.

 

[wilbur300wsm]

Jmd, there are many products and processes to use, I read posts from people and filter the nonsence of personal differences. Pick something, try it. Your results and liking will differ from someone's I'm sure. I do agree with the verification being more from your load. IMO. Like everyone's , I've used a lot of different products. Some work better than others. I've collected hard wear and cash in competition with so called highend products and the so called garbage. So hopefully when the weather breaks, you can do a little more testing. Good luck shooting.

 

[masterblaster1]

tagged

 

[Syncrowave]

I actually called Devcon and spoke to a customer service tech. He knew exactly what I was doing and give me a few tips on mixing and application.

One thing I do in that regard is weigh each component (resin and hardener) to get as close to a "perfect" mix as I can.

The proper ratio for the Devcon #10110 is 9 parts (by weight) of black resin to 1 part (by weight) of white hardener.

 

['Freak]

You can pack a couple graduated syringes with each of the component to dispense per the volume ratio very easily. Once mixed, pack another syringe to shoot the mess where it’s needed. Use needles with a large bore. A skeleton frame caulk gun gives the syringe a 10:1 power assist.