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I am amazed Ghost guns were allowed as long as they have been.

Give some thought to this. Most likely, if the current administration has their way you will not be able to buy repair parts or a prefit barrel to do your own work. One proposal that briefly surfaced a couple months ago was to ban or require a license to own any tool that could be used to make a "ghost gun".

These people are obsessed with a hatred for firearms and those of us who enjoy owning them.
 
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Give some thought to this. Most likely, if the current administration has their way you will not be able to buy repair parts or a prefit barrel to do your own work. One proposal that briefly surfaced a couple months ago was to ban or require a license to own any tool that could be used to make a "ghost gun".

These people are obsessed with a hatred for firearms and those of us who enjoy owning them.
My thoughts were; How did the gun banning, registration loving, feel good legislation politicians not create yet another law requiring all these no serial numbered firearms to be banned or have a SN on every one prior to sale.

I don't know if it is a hatred of firearms, or a lust for power and complete control over the population, and firearms are standing in their way.
 
My thoughts were; How did the gun banning, registration loving, feel good legislation politicians not create yet another law requiring all these no serial numbered firearms to be banned or have a SN on every one prior to sale.

An 80% lower is not a firearm. It's a chunk of metal. Coming up with a legal definition of "ghost" AR-15s is not going to be simple. By way of example, several courts have already ruled that a finished AR-15 lower is not a firearm (or receiver), either.

From the AP:

For decades, the federal government has treated a mechanism called the lower receiver as the essential piece of the semiautomatic rifle, which has been used in some of the nation’s deadliest mass shootings. Prosecutors regularly bring charges based on that specific part.

But some defense attorneys have recently argued that the part alone does not meet the definition in the law. Federal law enforcement officials, who have long been concerned about the discrepancy, are increasingly worried that it could hinder some criminal prosecutions and undermine firearms regulations nationwide.

“Now the cat is out of the bag, so I think you’ll see more of this going on,” said Stephen Halbrook, an attorney who has written books on gun law and history. “Basically, the government has gotten away with this for a long time.”

Cases involving lower receivers represent a small fraction of the thousands of federal gun charges filed each year. But the loophole has allowed some people accused of illegally selling or possessing the parts, including convicted felons, to escape prosecution. The issue also complicates efforts to address so-called ghost guns, which are largely untraceable because they are assembled from parts.

Since 2016, at least five defendants have challenged the government and succeeded in getting some charges dropped, avoiding prison or seeing their cases dismissed entirely. Three judges have rejected the government’s interpretation of the law, despite dire warnings from prosecutors.

Federal regulations define a firearm’s “frame” or “receiver” as the piece considered to be the gun itself. But in an AR-15, the receiver is split into upper and lower parts — and some of the components listed in the definition are contained in the upper half. That has led judges to rule that a lower receiver alone cannot be considered a gun.
 
If they come after the "80% stuff" it will be extremely easy for them.
They will simply get the records from the 80% suppliers.
Shipping info is all there.

I have had this discussion with several of my friends who claim "they will never find me"....
 
If they come after the "80% stuff" it will be extremely easy for them.
They will simply get the records from the 80% suppliers.
Shipping info is all there.

I have had this discussion with several of my friends who claim "they will never find me"....

Even if 80% lowers were banned, and even if all of them could be traced to the original purchaser, there's no way to know what happened after the sale. The 80% lower could have been thrown in the trash, melted down, given away, sold, or "lost in a boating accident." The buyer has zero obligation to keep track of its whereabouts.

Maybe building one's own firearm could be prohibited (or would require an FFL), in the same way that distilling alcohol for personal consumption (without a permit) is currently prohibited by federal law. I don't know.
 
Even if 80% lowers were banned, and even if all of them could be traced to the original purchaser, there's no way to know what happened after the sale. The 80% lower could have been thrown in the trash, melted down, given away, sold, or "lost in a boating accident." The buyer has zero obligation to keep track of its whereabouts.

Maybe building one's own firearm could be prohibited (or would require an FFL), in the same way that distilling alcohol for personal consumption (without a permit) is currently prohibited by federal law. I don't know.
I 100% agree with you.
 
An 80% lower is not a firearm. It's a chunk of metal. Coming up with a legal definition of "ghost" AR-15s is not going to be simple. By way of example, several courts have already ruled that a finished AR-15 lower is not a firearm (or receiver), either.

From the AP:

For decades, the federal government has treated a mechanism called the lower receiver as the essential piece of the semiautomatic rifle, which has been used in some of the nation’s deadliest mass shootings. Prosecutors regularly bring charges based on that specific part.

But some defense attorneys have recently argued that the part alone does not meet the definition in the law. Federal law enforcement officials, who have long been concerned about the discrepancy, are increasingly worried that it could hinder some criminal prosecutions and undermine firearms regulations nationwide.

“Now the cat is out of the bag, so I think you’ll see more of this going on,” said Stephen Halbrook, an attorney who has written books on gun law and history. “Basically, the government has gotten away with this for a long time.”

Cases involving lower receivers represent a small fraction of the thousands of federal gun charges filed each year. But the loophole has allowed some people accused of illegally selling or possessing the parts, including convicted felons, to escape prosecution. The issue also complicates efforts to address so-called ghost guns, which are largely untraceable because they are assembled from parts.

Since 2016, at least five defendants have challenged the government and succeeded in getting some charges dropped, avoiding prison or seeing their cases dismissed entirely. Three judges have rejected the government’s interpretation of the law, despite dire warnings from prosecutors.

Federal regulations define a firearm’s “frame” or “receiver” as the piece considered to be the gun itself. But in an AR-15, the receiver is split into upper and lower parts — and some of the components listed in the definition are contained in the upper half. That has led judges to rule that a lower receiver alone cannot be considered a gun.
I'm on you side.

In light of the trend in this country over the past 30 years or so, I can see [insert your least liked politician here] putting forth legislation that supports the received is not the firearm. Then turning around and making it so it will require an FFL to purchase barrels and magazines.
Mr. Potato head upsets these peopple that have been elected to office. All bets are off on what they may be motivated to do. Unfortunately, the numbers in congress is on their side.
 
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