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Gentlemen, I present... the ".220 REDLINE"

Good morning, fellas!
I sincerely appreciate all the kind words in this thread. The .220REDLINE is alive & well, still performing beyond expectations! Lots of kills and data to share in the near future, stay tuned...
Satisfying as the .220 is, it's only natural to again defy traditional rifle thinking and build another REDLINE...
SO, the .240REDLINE is already in the works! And it's gonna smash the 6mm ceiling down. No details, I'll just leave it at that...grin
Stay happy & stay well!!!
Fredo -

Oh boy ! Great to have you back !! I had withdrawls after you stopped posting for a while !!

I certainly understand you progression from .224" calibre to 6mm, when developing wildcats for shooting things like groundhog. I first developed my " .22-35 Remington " wildcat specifically for my use on
" Soybeanus Digestus " back in 1977.

19 yr later, I started having trouble seeing .224" cal holes in paper @ 300yd when using a 2X-boosted T-36.
I decided it was time to switch to use of a 6mm. Not that one needs that king of reason to try another wildcat. I really enjoy the whole wildcating process, which includes load development for a new cartridge, range testing; and ultimately......field use.

I suspect you will be going up on case capacity, in-association w/ the increase in calibre? Part of that stems from likely use of a slightly heavier bullet wt, and of course the larger bore diam can drive a decrease in obtainable pressure; if not offset.

Interested to see your approach, Fredo. We'll be watching !


With regards,
357Mag
 
Good morning, fellas!
I sincerely appreciate all the kind words in this thread. The .220REDLINE is alive & well, still performing beyond expectations! Lots of kills and data to share in the near future, stay tuned...
Satisfying as the .220 is, it's only natural to again defy traditional rifle thinking and build another REDLINE...
SO, the .240REDLINE is already in the works! And it's gonna smash the 6mm ceiling down. No details, I'll just leave it at that...grin
Stay happy & stay well!!!
Welcome back Fredo!
 
It took me almost :20min to get logged on & successfully post. The same BS situation for why I stopped posting a few years ago...
.357, you're over the target. But, I'm not gonna deal with this page crashing, cookie tracking, post monitoring baloney just to post here. My bad for thinking something may have changed?
Take care y'all...
 
So glad to hear from you, Fredo! Looking forward to hearing about your 6mm project.
 
Fredo -

Howdy, again !

I don't fully understand all the digi challenges you noted, but......might you have to "post" somewherez else ?

Just wonderin' .



With regards,
357Mag
 
I have a couple.of buddies here in Oklahoma that built 6mm PRC's on Impacts for coyote rifles and their 87gn Vmax are scooting for sure. They are running around 3680 fps from 22" bbls.
 
Really really enjoyed this thread and am very happy to see Fredo post recently.
Thinking a 240Redline will be awesome too.Perhaps one day even a .257Redline will grace these pages;)
Matt
 
The 25 saum is already alive, thanks to the guys at Blackjack. They make the 131gn Ace bullet and it is exceptional in performance on steel and game. IIRC, its G7 is .331 or .335. Super slippery in the wind.
 
I’ve heard of Blackjack making some nice 25 bullets,was unaware that they necked the SAUM case to 25.Been thinking of building an SP in .257 caliber,leaning towards a 25/284 as the SAUM maybe to much of a good thing with only 18” of barrel.Still it is quite intriguing.
 
Good morning, fellas!
I sincerely appreciate all the kind words in this thread. The .220REDLINE is alive & well, still performing beyond expectations! Lots of kills and data to share in the near future, stay tuned...
Satisfying as the .220 is, it's only natural to again defy traditional rifle thinking and build another REDLINE...
SO, the .240REDLINE is already in the works! And it's gonna smash the 6mm ceiling down. No details, I'll just leave it at that...grin
Stay happy & stay well!!!
Fredo,
Welcome back...I hope. With all the awesome .257 bullets arriving on the scene recently, I think at 25Redline is in your future. Hope to have my 25-284 up and running by spring. Look forward to Another Redline by then also. Fredo, get thru all that BS posting crap and put it behind you. Too many good things to make that one bad thing worth worrying about. Keep us posted. John
 
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I’ve heard of Blackjack making some nice 25 bullets,was unaware that they necked the SAUM case to 25.Been thinking of building an SP in .257 caliber,leaning towards a 25/284 as the SAUM maybe to much of a good thing with only 18” of barrel.Still it is quite intriguing.
They have readers for 25-284 and their pet cartridge based off of a shortened Saum case called the .257 Blackjack. If memory serves the 257BJ is seeing their 131gn at 3200fps from 22" tubes. Makes a very nice short action hunting cartridge.

The quarter bore is experiencing a nice Renaissance at the moment with the Blackjack,, Bergers and Sierra offerings.
 
Fredo
Hope you are well !
With the success of the 220, I'm sure your 240 will shine !
Your input has been missed !!
Wishing you well !!!
 
SAUM...who said anything about using a SAUM case?
Heck, I necked down right past .257 & .243 cal to make my .220Redline, for a reason. Mainly because they'd already "been there, done that" on a SAUM case...
That established, when scheming to build chit, I have no allegiance to any one parent case. Nor, any inclination to monetize/market a design. My interest lies in the 'unknown', and to set a performance mark that has yet to be achieved by any currently marketed wildcat design. So far, the .220Redline can't be touched, performance wise, by any available .22cal. Not even close...
Same drive is behind developing my .240Redline. Not to relabel a years old 6SAUM wildcat, but rather to BEAT it, and every other 6mm within marginal reasoning. And beat them all badly enough to justify even trying...wink! Hence, why I said member .357Mag's post was 'over the target'...
More power to those who design stuff to sell, heck thats capitalism at its finest! Y'all will just hafta sit back & see how this 240Redline shakes out, cuz it's gonna be a doozy...grin!!!

P.S. Logging in today was smooth, thank you!
 
SAUM...who said anything about using a SAUM case?
Heck, I necked down right past .257 & .243 cal to make my .220Redline, for a reason. Mainly because they'd already "been there, done that" on a SAUM case...
That established, when scheming to build chit, I have no allegiance to any one parent case. Nor, any inclination to monetize/market a design. My interest lies in the 'unknown', and to set a performance mark that has yet to be achieved by any currently marketed wildcat design. So far, the .220Redline can't be touched, performance wise, by any available .22cal. Not even close...
Same drive is behind developing my .240Redline. Not to relabel a years old 6SAUM wildcat, but rather to BEAT it, and every other 6mm within marginal reasoning. And beat them all badly enough to justify even trying...wink! Hence, why I said member .357Mag's post was 'over the target'...
More power to those who design stuff to sell, heck thats capitalism at its finest! Y'all will just hafta sit back & see how this 240Redline shakes out, cuz it's gonna be a doozy...grin!!!

P.S. Logging in today was smooth, thank you!
Fredo, can you give me a small hint if it will be geared towards light,mid or heavy projectiles?
 
SAUM...who said anything about using a SAUM case?
Heck, I necked down right past .257 & .243 cal to make my .220Redline, for a reason. Mainly because they'd already "been there, done that" on a SAUM case...
That established, when scheming to build chit, I have no allegiance to any one parent case. Nor, any inclination to monetize/market a design. My interest lies in the 'unknown', and to set a performance mark that has yet to be achieved by any currently marketed wildcat design. So far, the .220Redline can't be touched, performance wise, by any available .22cal. Not even close...
Same drive is behind developing my .240Redline. Not to relabel a years old 6SAUM wildcat, but rather to BEAT it, and every other 6mm within marginal reasoning. And beat them all badly enough to justify even trying...wink! Hence, why I said member .357Mag's post was 'over the target'...
More power to those who design stuff to sell, heck thats capitalism at its finest! Y'all will just hafta sit back & see how this 240Redline shakes out, cuz it's gonna be a doozy...grin!!!

P.S. Logging in today was smooth, thank you!

Fredo might be the next Ackley. Good to see you back Fredo.
 
I like wildcats.

And being an avid predator hunter, I've gravitated toward 'hotrod' type cartridges...fast & flat is where it's at!!! Maximum point blank range and terminal performance on critters are key elements for a 'hotrod' to improve upon, over factory available cartridges. Ideally, the performance gains should justify the extra time, effort & expense of wildcatting. That's never set in stone, we all like what we like... :)

Several years back, I built a .22-243Win. The 1:7.7 Krieger launched 75Amaxs nearing 3500 fps, and they sure can fly at that launch speed! But then, I saw a friend's (slow twist) .22-243AI, and couldn't stop wondering what that "Improved" case could do with a faster twist??? So, built a .22-243AI on a 1:8 Brux, and that has been my 'favorite' predator cartridge for a while now. Fireforming brass on summer 'chucks & LR steel targets was good fun, and the AI'ed case allowed for another 100+ fps gain over my previous straight .22-243Win. A longer throat & full case of slow burn H1000 allows my .22-243AI to run 'cooler', mitigating throat erosion for this overbore cartridge. Have a coyote killin' friend who swapped a new barrel on his .22-243AI after 1500 rds of 80Amaxs, and it still shoots under well 3/4moa as a fireforming barrel. Lots to like about the .22-243AI!

So, where's this all going, you might ask???
Well, the same 'wildcat' itch has begun to fester & I kept looking at all this SAUM brass & those Redding 7SAUM dies...wondering "what if"...

What if I necked a SAUM case down to .224? o_O

That question has been bouncin' around in the brain bucket for a few years now. Well, a wild hair grew from my azz, and decided to spend some time on what this monster might behold???

First thing to consider is: bullet integrity. My .22-243AI is throwing a 75Amax @ 3600fps from a 1:8 twist barrel, generating ~324,000 RPM. Needless to say, that is ALOT of spin! Every bullet handles RPM differently, depending on its design & construction. Going over the edge on RPM may result in bad things happening, from inconsistent penetration, "splashing" on animals, to outright "poofs" where the bullet never even makes it to the target. So, keeping a bullet intact & happy is of paramount importance! With the huge increase in case capacity, a .224 caliber SAUM is prolly gonna push a 75-80 fast enough to make 'em quit...

So, easy answer to address excessive RPM? Slow down the twist rate! Let's assume 3750fps as an MV for a 75gr bullet from this .224 caliber SAUM wildcat. From a 1:8 twist barrel, that 75gr bullet would be spinning over 337,000RPM!!! NOT GOOD, that number kinda scares me. I sure don't wanna invest all this time, effort & expense to start blowing bullets up after only a few hundred rounds down the pipe. And I sure don't want the bullets that can handle that stress to be "splashing" on a coyote!!! The whole idea is to kill them with extreme prejudice & authority where they stand! Otherwise, this just ain't worth it. BUT...if ya drop down to a 1:9 twist, that 337,000 RPM magically drops to 300,000. Still ALOT of RPM, but despite a 150fps gain in MV, its actually considerably less RPM that my present 1:8 .22-243AI. That bodes well for keeping bullet jackets intact, and coyotes in the dirt. Me likey... :)

However, there are some things that need to be checked to insure a given bullet will fully stabilize from less twist. Enter: Berger's wonderful Stability Calculator!
http://www.bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/
Given that same MV of 3750 fps, a 75gr VLD is "marginally stable" from a 1:9 twist barrel, with a factor of 1.2. That is @ sea level & 30°F, atmopsherics toward the lower end of intended use. Given the conservative MV estimate, I'm OK with a stability factor of 1.2, so that finalizes the twist rate for this .224 SAUM @ 1:9... :)

Now, what brass should I use? Necking down from .300SAUM is not practical, especially given that there is 7SAUM and 6.5(SAUM) 4s brass on the market. Just happened to have some brandy new Norma 7SAUM brass, so let's go with it! I used bushing I already own, and got brass necked down in three steps. Before doing so, I did remove the stem from my Redding Type S FL 7SAUM die, so it would not interfere with the decreased neck ID. A bit of Imperial Sizing Wax, and here we go!

1st bushing: .291
2nd bushing: .270
final bushing: .258"
That was easy! ;)
EcoQL9X.jpg

(.252 bushing at right will be final tension bushing, as you'll see later)

I decided on that last .258" bushing, as it would allow for a close fit for getting that necked down brass onto a .224" mandrel. Turns out, my K&M ExpandIron only had to open the necked down brass about .001"...nice!

After truing ID on the .224" mandrel, I checked neck thickness & concentricity. Concentricity was not bad, given all that squeezin', but they did measure .018-9" That's a bit thicker than I'd care to run, so...time for the K&M turner! But first, have to address case length, as all that necked down brass has to go somewhere. Case length increased over .010" from virgin 7SAUM (~2.023--->~2.034") So, a quick trim got them all uniform @ 2.025", and now the shoulder will index true on the neck turner...

Set the K&M up and got to shavin'!
D2fFZhl.jpg

I did feel the cutting mandral take a bit of material from inside the neck, and I turned juuuust slightly into the shoulder to keep any potential issue of 'donuts' at bay. Viola, a nice, true .015" neck thickness...
kCHUyTs.jpg


Final thing, pick a bullet & find a seating depth! Seeing as how those finished cases ended up with nice, long necks, and this is gonna be a fire breathin' dragon, I didn't want to start too long on OAL. Basically, I eyeballed an 80Amax up & went from there. Here's an 80Amax @ 2.770", base of bullet is just above the shoulder, and there's plenty of bearing surface to chase lands. this length isn't set in stone, just wanted to get a baseline 'dummy' round sent out to JGS to get a reamer print worked up...

Here's what a loaded .220 REDLINE looks like!
ZVGPLam.jpg


Since this sucker is gonna run right at/beyond the redline of any .224 caliber I'm aware of, the name seemed appropriate ;)

Loaded round measurement of .254, (.224 + .015 + .015)
K3QGVr1.jpg


That .252 bushing in the pic above will allow .002 tension upon re-sizing, should work OK for the time being. If this monster shoots & yields intended performance, I can see a set of custom dies in the future...

So, there ya have it! A .22-7SAUM...aka the .220 REDLINE. For reference, heres the REDLINE next to a 6.5SAUM4s /140JLK...
enL9snQ.jpg


That about does it, for now!
Dummy is off to JGS, I'll await a print to confirm specs, then get a reamer ground! In the meantime, will be impatiently waiting to get this monster throttled up. ~71grains of capacity under a .224 caliber boolit is gonna make some heads spin, I hope!!! Quickload predicts both H1000 & Retumbo to have great potential at modest case pressure...

Until then, thanks for coming along on this wildcat ride!!! Will keep y'all updated...
I like wildcats.

And being an avid predator hunter, I've gravitated toward 'hotrod' type cartridges...fast & flat is where it's at!!! Maximum point blank range and terminal performance on critters are key elements for a 'hotrod' to improve upon, over factory available cartridges. Ideally, the performance gains should justify the extra time, effort & expense of wildcatting. That's never set in stone, we all like what we like... :)

Several years back, I built a .22-243Win. The 1:7.7 Krieger launched 75Amaxs nearing 3500 fps, and they sure can fly at that launch speed! But then, I saw a friend's (slow twist) .22-243AI, and couldn't stop wondering what that "Improved" case could do with a faster twist??? So, built a .22-243AI on a 1:8 Brux, and that has been my 'favorite' predator cartridge for a while now. Fireforming brass on summer 'chucks & LR steel targets was good fun, and the AI'ed case allowed for another 100+ fps gain over my previous straight .22-243Win. A longer throat & full case of slow burn H1000 allows my .22-243AI to run 'cooler', mitigating throat erosion for this overbore cartridge. Have a coyote killin' friend who swapped a new barrel on his .22-243AI after 1500 rds of 80Amaxs, and it still shoots under well 3/4moa as a fireforming barrel. Lots to like about the .22-243AI!

So, where's this all going, you might ask???
Well, the same 'wildcat' itch has begun to fester & I kept looking at all this SAUM brass & those Redding 7SAUM dies...wondering "what if"...

What if I necked a SAUM case down to .224? o_O

That question has been bouncin' around in the brain bucket for a few years now. Well, a wild hair grew from my azz, and decided to spend some time on what this monster might behold???

First thing to consider is: bullet integrity. My .22-243AI is throwing a 75Amax @ 3600fps from a 1:8 twist barrel, generating ~324,000 RPM. Needless to say, that is ALOT of spin! Every bullet handles RPM differently, depending on its design & construction. Going over the edge on RPM may result in bad things happening, from inconsistent penetration, "splashing" on animals, to outright "poofs" where the bullet never even makes it to the target. So, keeping a bullet intact & happy is of paramount importance! With the huge increase in case capacity, a .224 caliber SAUM is prolly gonna push a 75-80 fast enough to make 'em quit...

So, easy answer to address excessive RPM? Slow down the twist rate! Let's assume 3750fps as an MV for a 75gr bullet from this .224 caliber SAUM wildcat. From a 1:8 twist barrel, that 75gr bullet would be spinning over 337,000RPM!!! NOT GOOD, that number kinda scares me. I sure don't wanna invest all this time, effort & expense to start blowing bullets up after only a few hundred rounds down the pipe. And I sure don't want the bullets that can handle that stress to be "splashing" on a coyote!!! The whole idea is to kill them with extreme prejudice & authority where they stand! Otherwise, this just ain't worth it. BUT...if ya drop down to a 1:9 twist, that 337,000 RPM magically drops to 300,000. Still ALOT of RPM, but despite a 150fps gain in MV, its actually considerably less RPM that my present 1:8 .22-243AI. That bodes well for keeping bullet jackets intact, and coyotes in the dirt. Me likey... :)

However, there are some things that need to be checked to insure a given bullet will fully stabilize from less twist. Enter: Berger's wonderful Stability Calculator!
http://www.bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/
Given that same MV of 3750 fps, a 75gr VLD is "marginally stable" from a 1:9 twist barrel, with a factor of 1.2. That is @ sea level & 30°F, atmopsherics toward the lower end of intended use. Given the conservative MV estimate, I'm OK with a stability factor of 1.2, so that finalizes the twist rate for this .224 SAUM @ 1:9... :)

Now, what brass should I use? Necking down from .300SAUM is not practical, especially given that there is 7SAUM and 6.5(SAUM) 4s brass on the market. Just happened to have some brandy new Norma 7SAUM brass, so let's go with it! I used bushing I already own, and got brass necked down in three steps. Before doing so, I did remove the stem from my Redding Type S FL 7SAUM die, so it would not interfere with the decreased neck ID. A bit of Imperial Sizing Wax, and here we go!

1st bushing: .291
2nd bushing: .270
final bushing: .258"
That was easy! ;)
EcoQL9X.jpg

(.252 bushing at right will be final tension bushing, as you'll see later)

I decided on that last .258" bushing, as it would allow for a close fit for getting that necked down brass onto a .224" mandrel. Turns out, my K&M ExpandIron only had to open the necked down brass about .001"...nice!

After truing ID on the .224" mandrel, I checked neck thickness & concentricity. Concentricity was not bad, given all that squeezin', but they did measure .018-9" That's a bit thicker than I'd care to run, so...time for the K&M turner! But first, have to address case length, as all that necked down brass has to go somewhere. Case length increased over .010" from virgin 7SAUM (~2.023--->~2.034") So, a quick trim got them all uniform @ 2.025", and now the shoulder will index true on the neck turner...

Set the K&M up and got to shavin'!
D2fFZhl.jpg

I did feel the cutting mandral take a bit of material from inside the neck, and I turned juuuust slightly into the shoulder to keep any potential issue of 'donuts' at bay. Viola, a nice, true .015" neck thickness...
kCHUyTs.jpg


Final thing, pick a bullet & find a seating depth! Seeing as how those finished cases ended up with nice, long necks, and this is gonna be a fire breathin' dragon, I didn't want to start too long on OAL. Basically, I eyeballed an 80Amax up & went from there. Here's an 80Amax @ 2.770", base of bullet is just above the shoulder, and there's plenty of bearing surface to chase lands. this length isn't set in stone, just wanted to get a baseline 'dummy' round sent out to JGS to get a reamer print worked up...

Here's what a loaded .220 REDLINE looks like!
ZVGPLam.jpg


Since this sucker is gonna run right at/beyond the redline of any .224 caliber I'm aware of, the name seemed appropriate ;)

Loaded round measurement of .254, (.224 + .015 + .015)
K3QGVr1.jpg


That .252 bushing in the pic above will allow .002 tension upon re-sizing, should work OK for the time being. If this monster shoots & yields intended performance, I can see a set of custom dies in the future...

So, there ya have it! A .22-7SAUM...aka the .220 REDLINE. For reference, heres the REDLINE next to a 6.5SAUM4s /140JLK...
enL9snQ.jpg


That about does it, for now!
Dummy is off to JGS, I'll await a print to confirm specs, then get a reamer ground! In the meantime, will be impatiently waiting to get this monster throttled up. ~71grains of capacity under a .224 caliber boolit is gonna make some heads spin, I hope!!! Quickload predicts both H1000 & Retumbo to have great potential at modest case pressure...

Until then, thanks for coming along on this wildcat ride!!! Will keep y'all updated...
I went a slightly different way but should be a functional tradeoff to your new creation. I used the 6.5 x 55 and fire 80 grain Bergers at 3570. It slams groundhogs at 1000 yards and is a good wind cheater FOR A 22 .I shoot RE22 through a 8 twist Lilja 3 land 30 inch barrel .I had the same path to get there as yours. if wind is a problem I have a fast twist 25 and a 260AI to move up.
 
I like wildcats.

And being an avid predator hunter, I've gravitated toward 'hotrod' type cartridges...fast & flat is where it's at!!! Maximum point blank range and terminal performance on critters are key elements for a 'hotrod' to improve upon, over factory available cartridges. Ideally, the performance gains should justify the extra time, effort & expense of wildcatting. That's never set in stone, we all like what we like... :)

Several years back, I built a .22-243Win. The 1:7.7 Krieger launched 75Amaxs nearing 3500 fps, and they sure can fly at that launch speed! But then, I saw a friend's (slow twist) .22-243AI, and couldn't stop wondering what that "Improved" case could do with a faster twist??? So, built a .22-243AI on a 1:8 Brux, and that has been my 'favorite' predator cartridge for a while now. Fireforming brass on summer 'chucks & LR steel targets was good fun, and the AI'ed case allowed for another 100+ fps gain over my previous straight .22-243Win. A longer throat & full case of slow burn H1000 allows my .22-243AI to run 'cooler', mitigating throat erosion for this overbore cartridge. Have a coyote killin' friend who swapped a new barrel on his .22-243AI after 1500 rds of 80Amaxs, and it still shoots under well 3/4moa as a fireforming barrel. Lots to like about the .22-243AI!

So, where's this all going, you might ask???
Well, the same 'wildcat' itch has begun to fester & I kept looking at all this SAUM brass & those Redding 7SAUM dies...wondering "what if"...

What if I necked a SAUM case down to .224? o_O

That question has been bouncin' around in the brain bucket for a few years now. Well, a wild hair grew from my azz, and decided to spend some time on what this monster might behold???

First thing to consider is: bullet integrity. My .22-243AI is throwing a 75Amax @ 3600fps from a 1:8 twist barrel, generating ~324,000 RPM. Needless to say, that is ALOT of spin! Every bullet handles RPM differently, depending on its design & construction. Going over the edge on RPM may result in bad things happening, from inconsistent penetration, "splashing" on animals, to outright "poofs" where the bullet never even makes it to the target. So, keeping a bullet intact & happy is of paramount importance! With the huge increase in case capacity, a .224 caliber SAUM is prolly gonna push a 75-80 fast enough to make 'em quit...

So, easy answer to address excessive RPM? Slow down the twist rate! Let's assume 3750fps as an MV for a 75gr bullet from this .224 caliber SAUM wildcat. From a 1:8 twist barrel, that 75gr bullet would be spinning over 337,000RPM!!! NOT GOOD, that number kinda scares me. I sure don't wanna invest all this time, effort & expense to start blowing bullets up after only a few hundred rounds down the pipe. And I sure don't want the bullets that can handle that stress to be "splashing" on a coyote!!! The whole idea is to kill them with extreme prejudice & authority where they stand! Otherwise, this just ain't worth it. BUT...if ya drop down to a 1:9 twist, that 337,000 RPM magically drops to 300,000. Still ALOT of RPM, but despite a 150fps gain in MV, its actually considerably less RPM that my present 1:8 .22-243AI. That bodes well for keeping bullet jackets intact, and coyotes in the dirt. Me likey... :)

However, there are some things that need to be checked to insure a given bullet will fully stabilize from less twist. Enter: Berger's wonderful Stability Calculator!
http://www.bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/
Given that same MV of 3750 fps, a 75gr VLD is "marginally stable" from a 1:9 twist barrel, with a factor of 1.2. That is @ sea level & 30°F, atmopsherics toward the lower end of intended use. Given the conservative MV estimate, I'm OK with a stability factor of 1.2, so that finalizes the twist rate for this .224 SAUM @ 1:9... :)

Now, what brass should I use? Necking down from .300SAUM is not practical, especially given that there is 7SAUM and 6.5(SAUM) 4s brass on the market. Just happened to have some brandy new Norma 7SAUM brass, so let's go with it! I used bushing I already own, and got brass necked down in three steps. Before doing so, I did remove the stem from my Redding Type S FL 7SAUM die, so it would not interfere with the decreased neck ID. A bit of Imperial Sizing Wax, and here we go!

1st bushing: .291
2nd bushing: .270
final bushing: .258"
That was easy! ;)
EcoQL9X.jpg

(.252 bushing at right will be final tension bushing, as you'll see later)

I decided on that last .258" bushing, as it would allow for a close fit for getting that necked down brass onto a .224" mandrel. Turns out, my K&M ExpandIron only had to open the necked down brass about .001"...nice!

After truing ID on the .224" mandrel, I checked neck thickness & concentricity. Concentricity was not bad, given all that squeezin', but they did measure .018-9" That's a bit thicker than I'd care to run, so...time for the K&M turner! But first, have to address case length, as all that necked down brass has to go somewhere. Case length increased over .010" from virgin 7SAUM (~2.023--->~2.034") So, a quick trim got them all uniform @ 2.025", and now the shoulder will index true on the neck turner...

Set the K&M up and got to shavin'!
D2fFZhl.jpg

I did feel the cutting mandral take a bit of material from inside the neck, and I turned juuuust slightly into the shoulder to keep any potential issue of 'donuts' at bay. Viola, a nice, true .015" neck thickness...
kCHUyTs.jpg


Final thing, pick a bullet & find a seating depth! Seeing as how those finished cases ended up with nice, long necks, and this is gonna be a fire breathin' dragon, I didn't want to start too long on OAL. Basically, I eyeballed an 80Amax up & went from there. Here's an 80Amax @ 2.770", base of bullet is just above the shoulder, and there's plenty of bearing surface to chase lands. this length isn't set in stone, just wanted to get a baseline 'dummy' round sent out to JGS to get a reamer print worked up...

Here's what a loaded .220 REDLINE looks like!
ZVGPLam.jpg


Since this sucker is gonna run right at/beyond the redline of any .224 caliber I'm aware of, the name seemed appropriate ;)

Loaded round measurement of .254, (.224 + .015 + .015)
K3QGVr1.jpg


That .252 bushing in the pic above will allow .002 tension upon re-sizing, should work OK for the time being. If this monster shoots & yields intended performance, I can see a set of custom dies in the future...

So, there ya have it! A .22-7SAUM...aka the .220 REDLINE. For reference, heres the REDLINE next to a 6.5SAUM4s /140JLK...
enL9snQ.jpg


That about does it, for now!
Dummy is off to JGS, I'll await a print to confirm specs, then get a reamer ground! In the meantime, will be impatiently waiting to get this monster throttled up. ~71grains of capacity under a .224 caliber boolit is gonna make some heads spin, I hope!!! Quickload predicts both H1000 & Retumbo to have great potential at modest case pressure...

Until then, thanks for coming along on this wildcat ride!!! Will keep y'all updated...
just a suggestion to you after seeing the picture of you checking concentricity. Since I can see the lines left from neck cutting, use a 000 wool on the necks after turning for more perfect concentric and LOOKS.
 
I've been chatting with Fredo and "bench racing" a bit. OK, I will admit it...I am hooked. He is working the computer, cross referencing other wildcats (both on paper and known) and I think he is going to have a real groundhog slammer. I told him that I wanted to be the "unbiased" field tester and compare the 220 to the 240. I love the 220 for its flat shooting. For its wind cutting. But I am thinking if the 240 can come close, but add in energy dump into groundhogs, I might see "all four feet off the ground" hits. The 220 rolled one big fat hog twice sideways and I had never seen that before. I am really pretty excited to see the 240. The only bad part is with barrel delays, reamer lead times, I might not see it this year and have to wait till 2022 summer!

We were talking barrel life. If I were ever to talk him into letting me build one (hint hint!) even if barrel life was 1000 rounds, I would likely be done hunting and only bench racing my walker around the old folks home when the barrel still had 500 left in it. Last summer I only shot up about 60 rounds of 222, 220 and 22-250 given all the other things that took up my "retirement". So I am convinced I can build a barrel cooker and never worry about rebarreling it!

It is fun to plan...can't wait to see the blog post forthcoming.
 

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