Fusion ammo, bullet weight retention.
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M001072,
Thanks for the reply. I shoot the 300 a lot and have had problems finding a bullet that will do the job on moose and deer
and in a pinch do serious damage on a brown bear. I am not a fan of the solid copper bullets and have had poor results with
the partition bullets. So far the best I have found is a good
core-lock bullet but even these are not totally up to snuff.
I'm highly interested in how well the fusion bullets perform.
Have you used them on game animals? If so how well did they
do as far as mushrooming and retained bullet weight?
At 95 gr in the 243 you are winging the bullets out there at a
speed comparable to the 150 gr in the 300.
What I'm looking for is a round that will give good accuracy,
has good long range capability, good penetration and good bullet
weight retention. I don't think this is impossible if you combine all the right components.
ps. Tried this post once already but when I clicked "preview post" it vanished into cyber space. So it may show up twice
I'm just going to send this one and hope it goes.
Thanks for the reply. I shoot the 300 a lot and have had problems finding a bullet that will do the job on moose and deer
and in a pinch do serious damage on a brown bear. I am not a fan of the solid copper bullets and have had poor results with
the partition bullets. So far the best I have found is a good
core-lock bullet but even these are not totally up to snuff.
I'm highly interested in how well the fusion bullets perform.
Have you used them on game animals? If so how well did they
do as far as mushrooming and retained bullet weight?
At 95 gr in the 243 you are winging the bullets out there at a
speed comparable to the 150 gr in the 300.
What I'm looking for is a round that will give good accuracy,
has good long range capability, good penetration and good bullet
weight retention. I don't think this is impossible if you combine all the right components.
ps. Tried this post once already but when I clicked "preview post" it vanished into cyber space. So it may show up twice
I'm just going to send this one and hope it goes.
Your problem in poor bullet performance sounds like it is poor bullet weight selection. A 150 gr bullet even if it is a Nosler partition is not the weight bullet you want to use on great big game like you are talking about. You need at least a 180 gr bullet. Those 150's in a 300 mag will make a good WT deer bullet but not a moose & brown bear killer. For store bought ammo try you some Federal Premium 180 gr Nosler partition or Accubond or the 200 gr trophy bear claw. If that don't get-er-done move up to the 338 Win mag.
2506,
A large part of what I'm interested in is the long range benifits of the 150 gr in the 300. I want to get as accurate as I can out to five or six hundred yards. In hunting you never know if your best shot is going to be at 10 yards or 600 yds.
If all shots were under 400 yds I would be satisfied with the 180 gr. Neither do you always have the option due to time constraints to swap ammo to fit the circumstances. The 150 gr
bullet will do the job on even a big bear especially at short range with the bullet traveling at 3200 feet per second IF the
bullet stays together. With the nosler you are going to loose the front half of the bullet as soon as it mushrooms. After seeing a few bears shot in the shoulder and finding the bullet later lodged under the skin on top of the hump I quit having any faith in them. Not only do you lose a large part of the bullet weight at the partition but whats left seems to follow muscle grain and go off any direction instead of straight on in.
They work fine on deer because of the small body size, but I've
seen to many problems with them on bear.
,If I'm targeting bear, any more I pack a 375 H&H.) But it would be nice to find a 150 gr for the 300 that would hold together if it was needed in an emergency. Not only would you get the penetration needed for bigger animals but you would also not damage as much meat on deer. I want to have my cake and eat it to
A large part of what I'm interested in is the long range benifits of the 150 gr in the 300. I want to get as accurate as I can out to five or six hundred yards. In hunting you never know if your best shot is going to be at 10 yards or 600 yds.
If all shots were under 400 yds I would be satisfied with the 180 gr. Neither do you always have the option due to time constraints to swap ammo to fit the circumstances. The 150 gr
bullet will do the job on even a big bear especially at short range with the bullet traveling at 3200 feet per second IF the
bullet stays together. With the nosler you are going to loose the front half of the bullet as soon as it mushrooms. After seeing a few bears shot in the shoulder and finding the bullet later lodged under the skin on top of the hump I quit having any faith in them. Not only do you lose a large part of the bullet weight at the partition but whats left seems to follow muscle grain and go off any direction instead of straight on in.
They work fine on deer because of the small body size, but I've
seen to many problems with them on bear.
,If I'm targeting bear, any more I pack a 375 H&H.) But it would be nice to find a 150 gr for the 300 that would hold together if it was needed in an emergency. Not only would you get the penetration needed for bigger animals but you would also not damage as much meat on deer. I want to have my cake and eat it to
You are never going to find what you want exactly. The Barns TSX's are as close a bullet to what you want. They will expand and they will hold together. You need to get you a good target turret scope and learn your drop out to where you want to shoot and use a 180 or 200 gr bullet. You also need to learn how to read the wind because it does not matter if you get the drop right, way out there a full value 10 mph wind will move a bullet quite a bit. I know some NASCAR drivers that would like to have the speed of a top full drag car on the straight but you can't turn them on a curve. So you have to go with what works.
Thanks for the input.
Still would like to know how the bullet performs. It's a long
time 'til hunting season so guess I'll get some gel and do some
test.
I'm intrigued by these bullets due to the fact that the copper jacket is electroplated to the lead. The jacket should not just
peel off like a banana peel.,But if they fail to expand that's
not good either).
Unless a person down-loads the 180 and 200 gr bullets in the 300
to slow them down they still will pretty much disintigrate on
impact and lose on penetration.
I have to disagree about not being able to get there from here.
It's doable with the right components.
Still would like to know how the bullet performs. It's a long
time 'til hunting season so guess I'll get some gel and do some
test.
I'm intrigued by these bullets due to the fact that the copper jacket is electroplated to the lead. The jacket should not just
peel off like a banana peel.,But if they fail to expand that's
not good either).
Unless a person down-loads the 180 and 200 gr bullets in the 300
to slow them down they still will pretty much disintigrate on
impact and lose on penetration.
I have to disagree about not being able to get there from here.
It's doable with the right components.
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