Ftr question.

[Josh11]

I am kicking the idea of a new build in ftr. Out of the two choices, why choose one over the other? As far as just punching paper and competitions, is the .308 better than .223? Or are they kind of even as far as wind drift and drop?

 

[MNFinn]

at 1k, 308 easily beats 223 when it comes to not getting blown around

 

[memo43]

Agree with the above post, but the question is whats the furtest you will compete, if your not going past 600 then I oukd say 223 anything further 308.
223 is least expensive to reload an small errors on your side with show on tgt since recoil is marginal.
I am in the process of finishing one up for short distance 300-600 an keep the 308 for further distances.

 

[Josh11]

I have a 6x 47 lapua that I shoot now. I really only get to shoot and compete at 600. I'm keeping the 6x47 for 1000 if I ever get to shoot that far. If I build an ftr, maybe in a few years, my son can start to shoot on it.

 

[wapiti25]

6X47L can not compete in F-TR. @ 600 a 223 can be fun with 80 gr bullets. You need to look at the ballistic programs for each bullet and decide what you want.

 

[js223]

As mentioned the 223 costs less to feed and has lower recoil. The 308 has one advantage that has not been mentioned yet and that is the size of the hole it makes. F-Class is a scoring game and the 308 can just squeak out a point that the same exact shot center with a 223 would lose. If the hole touches the scoring ring it gets the next higher value. I have seen this when pulling targets so it's another factor to consider.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Agree with the above post, but the question is whats the furtest you will compete, if your not going past 600 then I oukd say 223 anything further 308.
223 is least expensive to reload an small errors on your side with show on tgt since recoil is marginal.
I am in the process of finishing one up for short distance 300-600 an keep the 308 for further distances.

I've already done this and love it. The .223 will hold it's own at 300-600 fclass.

 

[Scott Harris]

Agree with the above post, but the question is whats the furtest you will compete, if your not going past 600 then I oukd say 223 anything further 308.
223 is least expensive to reload an small errors on your side with show on tgt since recoil is marginal.
I am in the process of finishing one up for short distance 300-600 an keep the 308 for further distances.

I've already done this and love it. The .223 will hold it's own at 300-600 fclass.

+1

out to 600, the 223 is the equal of the 308 when using 90 vlds. with 80 grain bullets, its at a small disadvantage to the hvy 308 bullets. but I think most people will shoot the lighter recoiling 223 better...including me ;D

 

[effendude]

For mid range F-TR, I don't think you can go wrong with the .223. I shoot the .308 and .223 and can definitely state that the .223 is easier to shoot. I work hard to stay on target, body position, etc. with the .308 and the .223 guys almost free recoil their rifles.

Long range is where the .308 shines.
Scott

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

At 1000 yards. 308 is the only way to go!!!

 

[manitou210]

Don't be poo poo the 223 at 1000 The 90gr Bergers and the 185gr Bergers in 308win have same wind drift.
I have shot a 15 round relay at 900 meters ( 984yd) V bull 5" Bull 10" 12 in V bull and 3 bulls. don't see any .308 win doing much better.
manitou

 

[Heavy barrel]

Don't be poo poo the 223 at 1000 The 90gr Bergers and the 185gr Bergers in 308win have same wind drift.

+1

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

In moderate wind the .223 at 1000 yards will lose every time. I have both and really like the accuracy of the .223 but at a grand. it will lose, especially against a heavy bullet.

My .02

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Don't be poo poo the 223 at 1000 The 90gr Bergers and the 185gr Bergers in 308win have same wind drift.
I have shot a 15 round relay at 900 meters ( 984yd) V bull 5" Bull 10" 12 in V bull and 3 bulls. don't see any .308 win doing much better.
manitou

Well, let me tell you, the final 16 yards are a b*tch for the .223 unless the conditions are very mild. You also need to consider that the 90gr leave you nowhere to go with the .223 whereas with the .308 you have lots of other options.

 

[boltman223]

In moderate wind the .223 at 1000 yards will lose every time. I have both and really like the accuracy of the .223 but at a grand. it will lose, especially against a heavy bullet.

My .02

Just wondering, are you referring to the 90's or 80's?

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

In moderate wind the .223 at 1000 yards will lose every time. I have both and really like the accuracy of the .223 but at a grand. it will lose, especially against a heavy bullet.

My .02

Just wondering, are you referring to the 90's or 80's?

90's & 80's don't have a chance against .308 heavy bullets Last year at the Worlds there was a guy from Canada shooting a .223, I think the only one. And he said after the match that he was switching to a .308 ;D

 

[XTR]

In moderate wind the .223 at 1000 yards will lose every time. I have both and really like the accuracy of the .223 but at a grand. it will lose, especially against a heavy bullet.

My .02

Just wondering, are you referring to the 90's or 80's?

90's & 80's don't have a chance against .308 heavy bullets Last year at the Worlds there was a guy from Canada shooting a .223, I think the only one. And he said after the match that he was switching to a .308 ;D

That was Bruce. I don't know about him switching calibers, but he came to Raton twice with a .223. F class can be masochistic enough, and the wind at Raton takes it to a whole 'nuther level, doing it with a 223 is just being a glutton.

Talk to the guys who have shot the 223 and the 308 at 1000. I know what he programs say about the wind drift, but all of them that I have talked to say that something is missing in the calcs because the 223 gets more drift than it's calculated to.

 

[s1rk1118]

90's will hold their own @ 1000 if you have an accurate load and run them ~2880fps. I've shot next to guys using 185 Bergers and asked them how far out they were holding. I was actually holding inside them. 200 hybrids will shoot inside me, but the challenge in FTR should be reading the wind. Just talk to Mid Tomkins. For the longest time he was winning w/155's.

 

[Medic505]

90's will hold their own @ 1000 if you have an accurate load and run them ~2880fps. I've shot next to guys using 185 Bergers and asked them how far out they were holding. I was actually holding inside them. 200 hybrids will shoot inside me, but the challenge in FTR should be reading the wind. Just talk to Mid Tomkins. For the longest time he was winning w/155's.

Steve, did your rifle sell?

 

[s1rk1118]

Got 2 bites w/o the scope. I will do that and sell the scope alone.
By the way, congrats to you.