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From 17 Javelina, to 222, How does this happen to me?? New Build,, 's!

wildcatter

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I really don't know how these things keep happening? But here I go,,, again! Seems I fall into these projects for no known reason. I sold a 8-32x56 Sightron to a fellow member, rimfire competitor, and arranged a F to F before my out of state doctor appointment, in the town next to his.

We parted with him thinking over what he would have to have for a barrel a friend of mine hand cut in 17 caliber, over 25 years ago, and would talk more later. I gave him a couple day's to think it over before calling him, this is when it got very interesting and knew my moment of weakness was going to cost me. He let me know it came on a rifle and really wanted to sell it together??? That was when I asked what it was and what kind of money. Not really wanting a 17 caliber rifle, he let me know it was Kelbly Panda, and he thought on a flat bottom target stock, but didn't think it was a 3" BR Stock, in 17 Javelina, and it was kinda rough! Plus the trigger hanger was screwed up?
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Well I made him an offer I really didn't think he would accept, but to my surprise, he said when would you like to do the paper work?????? I had no choice but to take him up. So I got it home and started to clean up the action, and found the trigger was in the hanger upside down and worked flawlessly, then was just going to sand and redo the stock since it as actually a 3" McMillan BR stock from the early days. Threw an old Viper on it in a set of Kelbly rings and went to see what my smith thought before sanding and prepping the stock.
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Then I took it to a buddies and asked what he thought, mill the forearm down and glass it up as a varmint rifle? But then I had more good news, after closer examination of a few of the chips in the paint,,, we discovered this isn't just a McMillan fiberglass old school stock, it is an early era BLACK stock, this means it is a Graphite 3" McMillan BR stock!

Dam is this is when them gears get wounded up and start to to hit the redline! We know back 40 or so years ago, when Fred Sinclair was just a little shop in downtown New Haven In. and Fred was still shooting Bench Rest and cattering to extreme accuracy shooter while still building rifles. When one day we noticed a shelf of BR stocks in the shop, some snot gray and some black that looked to be the same, he let my buddy know, the black ones are about 5 to 6 oz lighter and stiffer than the grayish snot color fiberglass stocks. I knew there was a reason this all happened, and with those gear wound tight knew, now it's time to get the pocket book out!!

Yep since I already had a varmint rig on a savage Axis with a 6BR Norma barrel on it in 'a "Pence Barrel ", and in one minute the bolt face be converted to a 223 bolt face to accommodate this new to me Pence barrel, and this Javelina is to long to begin with, 24", we can cut 2" off of it, and make it one of Ron Pence's favorite 17's, a Mach IV, and Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply, my smith has that reamer. This will make this rifle a dedicated Pence barreled Varminter!

Now in remembrance of Fred Sinclair and the man that started me in Bench Rest, with a 6BR tall dog, just as the 6PPC was being introduced, of course on a Pence barrel, and soon rechambered to that new 6PPC. Knowing that before the PPC Fred shot a 222 to get in the Hall of Fame, and shot a triple deuce up to the time of the PPC, and introduced the difference in the graphite and the glass stock, as well as this Panda being a vintage action L/R and coming with an old school Shilen trigger, there is only one thing I can do with this,,,, Dam it has to be dedicated to remembrance of Fred, another of my mentors. So 2 weeks ago to keep everything old school Bench Rest, and what our mentors used before that magnificent 6mm PPC came to be, I ordered the barrel, yep to go with the old school Shilen Trigger, the 224 #7 HV contour in 1-14 twist Select Match Shilen Barrel, after all they didn't have Krieger's and Bartlien's back then. So in amazement it showed this morning, just 10 days after ordering!
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So that is how I get myself into the predicaments, I don't think this chit up it just happens! This is what happens when you only own one Harley Davidson,,, hmm maybe I should work on that, cure this problem? I'll start a thread as this build starts going together from start to finish, all in honor of two of my main shooting mentors, a varmint rig Ron Pence would be proud of, and the old triple deuce, dedicated to the memory of Fred Sinclair and how he Got 'R' Done, rest in piece Fred, your still in my memory as well as so many others!
 
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It just won't do it with the reguarity the 6PPC does, thats why this will be for local matches only! If I am shooting in IBS or NBRSA sanctioned matches I'll use my serious match rifle, it never has an off day, thats all on me, no excuses with this one.
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But I do intend to send a few of the 6PPC's I'll use this old school triple deuce against farther down on the winners list! That will be the fun in using it.
 
I really don't know how these things keep happening? But here I go,,, again! Seems I fall into these projects for no known reason. I sold a 8-32x56 Sightron to a fellow member, rimfire competitor, and arranged a F to F before my out of state doctor appointment, in the town next to his.

We parted with him thinking over what he would have to have for a barrel a friend of mine hand cut in 17 caliber, over 25 years ago, and would talk more later. I gave him a couple day's to think it over before calling him, this is when it got very interesting and knew my moment of weakness was going to cost me. He let me know it came on a rifle and really wanted to sell it together??? That was when I asked what it was and what kind of money. Not really wanting a 17 caliber rifle, he let me know it was Kelbly Panda, and he thought on a flat bottom target stock, but didn't think it was a 3" BR Stock, in 17 Javelina, and it was kinda rough! Plus the trigger hanger was screwed up?
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Well I made him an offer I really didn't think he would accept, but to my surprise, he said when would you like to do the paper work?????? I had no choice but to take him up. So I got it home and started to clean up the action, and found the trigger was in the hanger upside down and worked flawlessly, then was just going to sand and redo the stock since it as actually a 3" McMillan BR stock from the early days. Threw an old Viper on it in a set of Kelbly rings and went to see what my smith thought before sanding and prepping the stock.
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Then I took it to a buddies and asked what he thought, mill the forearm down and glass it up as a varmint rifle? But then I had more good news, after closer examination of a few of the chips in the paint,,, we discovered this isn't just a McMillan fiberglass old school stock, it is an early era BLACK stock, this means it is a Graphite 3" McMillan BR stock!

Dam is this is when them gears get wounded up and start to to hit the redline! We know back 40 or so years ago, when Fred Sinclair was just a little shop in downtown New Haven In. and Fred was still shooting Bench Rest and cattering to extreme accuracy shooter while still building rifles. When one day we noticed a shelf of BR stocks in the shop, some snot gray and some black that looked to be the same, he let my buddy know, the black ones are about 5 to 6 oz lighter and stiffer than the grayish snot color fiberglass stocks. I knew there was a reason this all happened, and with those gear wound tight knew, now it's time to get the pocket book out!!

Yep since I already had a varmint rig on a savage Axis with a 6BR Norma barrel on it in 'a "Pence Barrel ", and in one minute the bolt face be converted to a 223 bolt face to accommodate this new to me Pence barrel, and this Javelina is to long to begin with, 24", we can cut 2" off of it, and make it one of Ron Pence's favorite 17's, a Mach IV, and Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply, my smith has that reamer. This will make this rifle a dedicated Pence barreled Varminter!

Now in remembrance of Fred Sinclair and the man that started me in Bench Rest, with a 6BR tall dog, just as the 6PPC was being introduced, of course on a Pence barrel, and soon rechambered to that new 6PPC. Knowing that before the PPC Fred shot a 222 to get in the Hall of Fame, and shot a triple deuce up to the time of the PPC, and introduced the difference in the graphite and the glass stock, as well as this Panda being a vintage action L/R and coming with an old school Shilen trigger, there is only one thing I can do with this,,,, Dam it has to be dedicated to remembrance of Fred, another of my mentors. So 2 weeks ago to keep everything old school Bench Rest, and what our mentors used before that magnificent 6mm PPC came to be, I ordered the barrel, yep to go with the old school Shilen Trigger, the 224 #7 HV contour in 1-14 twist Select Match Shilen Barrel, after all they didn't have Krieger's and Bartlien's back then. So in amazement it showed this morning, just 10 days after ordering!
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So that is how I get myself into the predicaments, I don't think this chit up it just happens! This is what happens when you only own one Harley Davidson,,, hmm maybe I should work on that, cure this problem? I'll start a thread as this build starts going together from start to finish, all in honor of two of my main shooting mentors, a varmint rig Ron Pence would be proud of, and the old triple deuce, dedicated to the memory of Fred Sinclair and how he Got 'R' Done, rest in piece Fred, your still in my memory as well as so many others!
Wildcatter -

Howdy !

Brilliant..... simply brilliant !

This is a case of the right man, at the right time ! Fred SInclair was a mentor to me and my best friend.
Fred did all of our initial custom accuracy rifles. This included several varmint rifle projects, and one of the first .22BRs out there. He lived a scant 6mi away from our family farm in NE Allen County.

I do remember going into Fred's gararge shop in New Haven, IN and seeing some of his bench guns displayed up on the wall, behind the desk top where he took most of his calls. One had a Ferrari Red fiberglass stock on it, replete w/ a black " dancing horse " logo on the buttstock. The barrel was chrom moly, as I recall. Think it was a 'Deuce ? He had a couple of red ones, and one that was screaming yellow.
I DK whether that one might have been Becky's gun ?

" Uncle Dudley " ( as he sometimes refered to himself ) once showed me a benchrest action that he had designed and machined. Wouldn't it be fun to have that piece of history ! Tom Meredith was painting stocks for Fred, before going solo.

Back to your project: a " new " build .222...... shooting today's powders / bullets.
O-O-O- yehhhh !!


With regards,
357Mag
 
Wildcatter -

Howdy !

Brilliant..... simply brilliant !

This is a case of the right man, at the right time ! Fred SInclair was a mentor to me and my best friend.
Fred did all of our initial custom accuracy rifles. This included several varmint rifle projects, and one of the first .22BRs out there. He lived a scant 6mi away from our family farm in NE Allen County.

I do remember going into Fred's gararge shop in New Haven, IN and seeing some of his bench guns displayed up on the wall, behind the desk top where he took most of his calls. One had a Ferrari Red fiberglass stock on it, replete w/ a black " dancing horse " logo on the buttstock. The barrel was chrom moly, as I recall. Think it was a 'Deuce ? He had a couple of red ones, and one that was screaming yellow.
I DK whether that one might have been Becky's gun ?

" Uncle Dudley " ( as he sometimes refered to himself ) once showed me a benchrest action that he had designed and machined. Wouldn't it be fun to have that piece of history ! Tom Meredith was painting stocks for Fred, before going solo.

Back to your project: a " new " build .222...... shooting today's powders / bullets.
O-O-O- yehhhh !!


With regards,
357Mag
I remember a yellow gun, and was considering that collar with a five card stud hand on each side of the but, showing three 2 of diamonds, 2 of spades, and 2 of hearts, with 2 down cards. I am now entertaining just a Candy Brandy Wine with his hall of fame inductee number on the but??? Hard to believe it but the new Shilen Barrel came Friday, this was supposed to be a winter project. I have had a few of Toms Stocks, but he refuses to paint anything that displays his talents today, so the Candy job I'll do myself if it is what I stick with?
 
I have one of Becky's guns, bright red. It was her heavy gun in 1980. I also have one of Fred's, painted by Becky with a hound dog on the stock, called Ol' Yeller 3rd. It is a LV. It is BRIGHT yellow. Fred said he made guns for money, so he sold his own often!

Both are on Lee Six stocks
 
I remember a yellow gun, and was considering that collar with a five card stud hand on each side of the but, showing three 2 of diamonds, 2 of spades, and 2 of hearts, with 2 down cards. I am now entertaining just a Candy Brandy Wine with his hall of fame inductee number on the but??? Hard to believe it but the new Shilen Barrel came Friday, this was supposed to be a winter project. I have had a few of Toms Stocks, but he refuses to paint anything that displays his talents today, so the Candy job I'll do myself if it is what I stick with?
Wildcatter -

Howdy ! All great info !!

You mentioned Pence and varmint rifles.
Fred Sinclair did work on multiple varmint rifles for me and my best friend, 3 full custom. We even got him to rebarrel an M-98 that originated out of P.O. Ackley's shop in UT. Fred also took a .22BR barrel off a Wichita "Mini" bench gun he made for me; and put it on an M-77 I had. Suprising, as Fred was loathe to work on a Mauser pattern rifle.

What about a benchrest-quality " varmint rifle " in .222 ? More on that, in a bit....
The first varmint rifle Fred did for me was a Wichita WBR1375 single shot, w/ 2oz Burns trigger, a Bishop walnut /walnut laminate target stock; w/ a 24" SS Hart .224" cal barrel chambered in my
" .22-35 Remington " wildcat. The gun was pure death on groundhogs, but proved to be a tad too heavy to make legal weight, when I took it to shoots @ the Bluecreek Range outside of Willshire, OH. I had Fred turn down the straight 1.375" straight bull barrel; and re-stock the gun w/ a McMillan M-40A1 stock; that had NATO woodland camo colours in the gel coat. Fred later re-stocked the .22BR M-77 in another M40 stock, which was a little lighter in its colour shading.

My Wichita was basically a benchrest rifle in a wildcart chambering.... set-up in a fiberglass stock more amenable to varmint shooting in the field.

When " Hunter " class in its infancy, Fred was ordering M700 barrelled actions in .308" cal from Remington, for his use in making Hunter-class rifles to meet the new demand. Fred simply gave these an eyeball down the bore from the muzzle end; and chambered those he was happy w/ in a " hunter bench " stock.
He often had multiples of these in various stages of completion when I would stop by his shop. All of the stocks on these guns that I saw were a dark shade of gray. This includes those I would see in-use later @ the Bluecreek range.

My point:
Any thought of doing the rifle using an un-painted stock, as Fred did crank out fiberglass stocked rifles
as mentioned above ? Put the color in the gel coat ? Tom Meredith could perhaps shed more light on the colours he put on stocks, during his tenure w/ Fred ? Perhaps to give some ideas for that Mid - latter
-70s vibe ?

With regards,
357Mag
 
I have one of Becky's guns, bright red. It was her heavy gun in 1980. I also have one of Fred's, painted by Becky with a hound dog on the stock, called Ol' Yeller 3rd. It is a LV. It is BRIGHT yellow. Fred said he made guns for money, so he sold his own often!

Both are on Lee Six stocks
Snert -

Howdy !

Boy... some cool bits of benchrest history you got there ! Takes me back, man ! Becky Sinclair once showed up a Bluecreek Ohio matche, and shot her gun w/ the scope' reticle set up as an " X " pattern;
just for fun. She did not come in last. Apparently... scope " cant " is workable... long as it's 90* ?!?

Hey, I had a Lee Six hunter bench stock that came in black & deep blue. My best friend picked it up for me from Kelbly's over in OH. I used it to re-stock the Wichita when I had the rifle re-barrelled ( again ) in .22-35 Remington. But.... this time.... the barrel used was a K & P 28" SS 5-groove 1-8 Palma taper. I wanted the gun to be useable for 1,000yd groundhog and / or target work. Shot the gun a couple of times @ the
" Western Pennsylvania World's Groundhog Shooting Championship " over by Beaverdale, PA.
James Peightal was my 'smith on that one, back when Peightal-smithed rifles frequented the top 10 on the equipment list.

But..... I digress.


With regards,
357Mag
 
No thoughts of having the stock changed from its original molding, as I finally after over 4 hours hand sanding, taken it down to it's original condition as it was pulled from the mold. Adding gel coat to give it that marbled look would weight over just paint.

If the woodland camo color was the same as two hunting rifles I had from Fred back in the late seventy's that used that same McMillan hunting profile, one with a Hart Stainless barrel on a Hard Chrome 700 action in 300 win mag, the other using a Douglas chrome moly on a blued 700 action in 338 win mag, they were the only colors molded in back then. If memory serves me right, and that can be questionable anymore at me age,,, McMillan didn't start doing the marbled molded in colors till well after the 6PPC had taken a stronghold on match use.

But both those rifles sadly are long gone, one I sold to a so called friend at a time in need in my youth, with the the understanding if it were ever sold, it would be offered to me first,,,,, never happened! The 338 was stolen,,, :mad::mad:

But back to the paint, it will be what many used back then when the 222 was popular, and one reason I started to think about the yellow. I believe until two local stock smiths around this area got creative,,,,, Tom Meredith as well as Briar Hale, with their artistic paint skills, more tame pastels with maybe a metallic or plain metalflake was the wilder schemes.

Tom did my first on a Lee Six in Deep Jewel Green, a chameleon affect with purples blues and greens as the light hit it from different angles. Then "Dragonfire" a jet black McMillan same as this one, with a red firebreathing Dragon Tom painted in his early days. Then a sychadelic scheme on one of Toms own stocks, but the last couple he did for me were the molded in marble we have today like this XP I used in the mid 90's.
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My last new build Tom refused to paint, as he was now stocking rifles for Lester Bruno, and only willing to paint solid colors, not what I am willing to pay for. So with Briar Hale having left the range at that time, I turned to Brett Hale, his Briars son and a talented painter as well. I wanted real fire, not flames that are no more than stencils, and Brett gave it his best shot, very nice I thought, especially for his first go ate real fire!
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about 20 years ago I did my first paint job on a Varmint rifle, I transformed Dragonfire,,, took the steel bars out of the forearm and the shot out of the hollowed but, removing about 5lbs from it's days as a 17 bls. 27.6" 6mm AI, to a tamer 12 lbs 22BR. I called it my Salmon color, I figured if I would try one since Tom had taken a new prospective into his stock work,,, and was pretty proud of it for a Kryon four color spray bomb???
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But this one I think I will go for a slightly more modern paint job than was offered on the rifles in the 222 era. More like my last painted benchrest rifle, on a newer edge stock. It was a painted on marbleized job, one I think I could do? But think a plain kandy paint job would be maybe a little more modern but not as overcoming as the marbleized look? But realy like the red, but on this matbe a little deeper than they used on this one which I bought not knowing the painter?


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I'm thinking I could pull of the Kandy Brandy Wine or at least deeper Red Candy, and maybe at least gett the 222 on the but without being to intrusive? But the main thing is, I think Fred would smile down at the results from a seed he planted, or at least influence decades before!!
 
No thoughts of having the stock changed from its original molding, as I finally after over 4 hours hand sanding, taken it down to it's original condition as it was pulled from the mold. Adding gel coat to give it that marbled look would weight over just paint.

If the woodland camo color was the same as two hunting rifles I had from Fred back in the late seventy's that used that same McMillan hunting profile, one with a Hart Stainless barrel on a Hard Chrome 700 action in 300 win mag, the other using a Douglas chrome moly on a blued 700 action in 338 win mag, they were the only colors molded in back then. If memory serves me right, and that can be questionable anymore at me age,,, McMillan didn't start doing the marbled molded in colors till well after the 6PPC had taken a stronghold on match use.

But both those rifles sadly are long gone, one I sold to a so called friend at a time in need in my youth, with the the understanding if it were ever sold, it would be offered to me first,,,,, never happened! The 338 was stolen,,, :mad::mad:

But back to the paint, it will be what many used back then when the 222 was popular, and one reason I started to think about the yellow. I believe until two local stock smiths around this area got creative,,,,, Tom Meredith as well as Briar Hale, with their artistic paint skills, more tame pastels with maybe a metallic or plain metalflake was the wilder schemes.

Tom did my first on a Lee Six in Deep Jewel Green, a chameleon affect with purples blues and greens as the light hit it from different angles. Then "Dragonfire" a jet black McMillan same as this one, with a red firebreathing Dragon Tom painted in his early days. Then a sychadelic scheme on one of Toms own stocks, but the last couple he did for me were the molded in marble we have today like this XP I used in the mid 90's.
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My last new build Tom refused to paint, as he was now stocking rifles for Lester Bruno, and only willing to paint solid colors, not what I am willing to pay for. So with Briar Hale having left the range at that time, I turned to Brett Hale, his Briars son and a talented painter as well. I wanted real fire, not flames that are no more than stencils, and Brett gave it his best shot, very nice I thought, especially for his first go ate real fire!
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about 20 years ago I did my first paint job on a Varmint rifle, I transformed Dragonfire,,, took the steel bars out of the forearm and the shot out of the hollowed but, removing about 5lbs from it's days as a 17 bls. 27.6" 6mm AI, to a tamer 12 lbs 22BR. I called it my Salmon color, I figured if I would try one since Tom had taken a new prospective into his stock work,,, and was pretty proud of it for a Kryon four color spray bomb???
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But this one I think I will go for a slightly more modern paint job than was offered on the rifles in the 222 era. More like my last painted benchrest rifle, on a newer edge stock. It was a painted on marbleized job, one I think I could do? But think a plain kandy paint job would be maybe a little more modern but not as overcoming as the marbleized look? But realy like the red, but on this matbe a little deeper than they used on this one which I bought not knowing the painter?


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I'm thinking I could pull of the Kandy Brandy Wine or at least deeper Red Candy, and maybe at least gett the 222 on the but without being to intrusive? But the main thing is, I think Fred would smile down at the results from a seed he planted, or at least influence decades before!!
Wildcatter -

Howdy !

I'm pretty speechless @ this point, after seeing pics of your guns ! Thanx so much for sharing those !

No question that you have the .222 tribute rifle all figured out. Fred SInclair did indeed cast a long lasting shadow.

Please do keep us posted on your progress !!


With regards,
357Mag
 
Well I aint been working on this build as I've put it on hold while I fix my knees,, at least the left one after Christmas. I been going thru Xray updates, lab work pre-op Dr visits and specialist counseling, daily pre op exercises, very important for a quick recovery after replacement, before having the plan to do both full replacements done by mid summer.

I got my all go light thursday after my family Dr pre-op visit showed all lab work, and EKG was excellent, good news for me to do the left knee the 27th, and then the plan is get back to normal, so when it's to miserable outside in mid July to mid Sept. go for the right one.

But after the new knee and a couple weeks of therapy, by the end of January, hope to be back visiting the range and have this new 222 ready for some minor testing. But for the next month or so, I'm dedicated to reloading the legs with a brand new knee. Hopefully the results are what has been described and by next hunting season both will be ready and I'll have a much better life in the woods, as well as day to day projects!
 
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