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Found - The case from the shot that belled my barrel.

Funny story in places. Sad in others. Stupid in some. We'll start with picture time and then move on to story time. I'm sure that's how you all would prefer it.

Juicy primer flattening + primer flow into the firing pin / striker channel. Doesn't look so bad right?
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Who's got a big Buddha belly? Oh yes. You've got a big Buddha belly.
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Coach decided to crank out a few thousand .45ACP loads after our last casting party. Fine enough. So he goes to work and cranks out 4K rounds. His .45's have been very uniform and 100% reliable, if a little smoky. When we shoot pistols we'll usually go through 1-2k rounds in a day between us. Coach failed to notice 1 critically important thing while loading. Occasionally the powder charge bar on the Dillon 550 would fail to return to battery to pick up another charge. That could have been sorted out by weighing finished rounds except that we're using lubricated cast bullets and mixed brass.

A month or two goes by and we make it out to the range and do some combat oriented drills which means rapid fire and double taps are the norm. So we're shooting, we're shooting, we run out of ammo after draining a full .50cal ammo can of .45ACP and then we go home. After a day or so I pull out my Glock G21 from the safe to give it a thorough swabbing out and notice a black ring in my bore just in front of the chamber during a visual inspection.

I thought it might be a lead ring since I'm shooting cast lead in a Glock barrel or a carbon ring due to the extreme dirtiness of our loads but it didn't come out after a vigorous brush cleaning or even show signs of change. Then I punched a patch down the barrel and it went in snug in the chamber tight in the throat, hotdog in a hallway just after the throat about where that black ring was, and tight as a drum the rest of the way. Then I looked at my barrel's exterior more closely. It was belled about 1/2" in front of the chamber for about 1/4" of distance and just severely enough to be barely visible to the naked eye (about .030 diametric difference).

Ok, well, I figured it'd happen sooner or later shooting cast bullets from a factory glock barrel. So I bought a new aftermarket barrel with conventional rifling that would be ok with long term use of cast lead. I also shot another 500 rounds through the old damaged glock barrel while waiting for the new one to arrive. It worked just fine. I knew it would because there's no saying that the round that belled the barrel was the last one I shot.

What happened? Well, a week or 2 ago I got a call from Coach and he's going on and on about having found "the case". I'm like, "What case?" and he fills me in that he's 100% certain that THIS case is the one that was fired when my barrel was damaged. I was skeptical. How did you pick that one out of the 2000+ that we'd recently emptied?

Well, it was pretty easy and it actually tells us a neat story that goes like this:
1. Coach loads his 1911 with ammo.
2. Coach fires some shots and gets a fail to fire and ejects a loaded round onto the ground and walks back to the mag loading area.
3. I load my Glock with ammo, walk to the firing line and shoot most of my mag but the last round fails to fire so I eject it. I then notice what I think is my round on the ground with a bullet in the case and figure, "Oh, last one didn't go off, maybe a light primer strike or shallow seated primer. One more tap on the cap and it might just fire." and so I pick up the round and drop it into my Glock, slam the slide home & pull the trigger it goes bang.
4. I load another mag and keep shooting.

What happened was when Coach hit the primer on that round it was probably shallow seated and finished seating with coach's hammer fall but didn't go off and coach flopped it onto the ground and walked away. I went to the same spot Coach was at to shoot and when I got a click-no-bang and then saw a loaded round on the ground and assumed it was mine and stuffed it into my gun, I failed entirely to realize that there might be a bullet stuck some distance down my bore or to have noticed the empty case I ejected earlier being empty despite no bang happening. That should have made it clear to me but I was a fool.

When I picked up that fateful round and fired it the bullet left the case mouth's grip and entered the bore only to slam into the back end of the previous bullet. The air trapped between them became an incompressable fluid and when pressure was sufficient it belled my barrel before both bullets took the opportunity to leave the muzzle. My mag didn't blow out, I didn't notice any real recoil change, the gun kept working.

I've had a case blow in this gun before. That was from repeated loading with stout loads. This one was from multiple levels of bad idea compounding each other. I'm just surprised the barrel didn't go full banana and cause a catastrophic self-disassembly of the entire pistol.

The 2 primer hits on the brass and the bit that flowed into the striker channel being rectangular while there was also a round firing pin strike is a dead giveaway for a double primer strike. Note to self. If the ammo is on the ground, leave it on the ground.
 
Glad all is well! Perhaps time to consider upgrading to a Dillon 650 that has a 5th position in the tool head where a powder check station can be installed to detect no/excessive powder charges?
 
I am going to offer a different view on how this happened. I have several Glocks. It looks to me like that round was not fired in a Glock The indentation of the striker on a round fired from a Glock is not round. At least not on any of the Glocks I own. From the bulge in that case, it appears as the primer was not fully seated and the striker set the cartridge off before it was fully chambered.
 
I am going to offer a different view on how this happened. I have several Glocks. It looks to me like that round was not fired in a Glock The indentation of the striker on a round fired from a Glock is not round. At least not on any of the Glocks I own. From the bulge in that case, it appears as the primer was not fully seated and the striker set the cartridge off before it was fully chambered.

Im glad you noticed that. Youre right that case doesnt appear to be fired in a glock. The unsupported part of the chamber is a different shape too- that looks like a throated 1911 type chamber bulge
 
Good observations provided above! I’ll add another for consideration based on personal experience. If fired from a 1911, check that the disconnector mechanism is working properly. It’s primary function being to prevent the firing pin from being released before the gun is fully in battery. Had one on a Springfield that was so worn that the trigger became “active” before the nose of the bullet contacted the barrel feed ramp. The problem was discovered during a rapid fire drill when the gun’s report sounded like a squib load and the case was not fully ejected. Fortunately, the bullet cleared the barrel and I stopped shooting. Only a minor bulge was present on the case due to out of battery ignition. Hard to know what would have happened if another round was fired, especially if the bullet didn’t clear the barrel...
 
The pic doesn't show well but there's a 2nd strike on the primer that's rectangular. The bit of primer sticking up flowed inside the striker hole in the breech face. Guaranteed.
 
I've swept aside other people's brass at the range to make sure I only pick up mine plus it's sharpie marked anyway. This way I know for sure if there's pressure signs it's my weapon instead of someone elses.
 
Funny story in places. Sad in others. Stupid in some. We'll start with picture time and then move on to story time. I'm sure that's how you all would prefer it.

Juicy primer flattening + primer flow into the firing pin / striker channel. Doesn't look so bad right?
img_3541.jpg


Who's got a big Buddha belly? Oh yes. You've got a big Buddha belly.
img_3540.jpg


Coach decided to crank out a few thousand .45ACP loads after our last casting party. Fine enough. So he goes to work and cranks out 4K rounds. His .45's have been very uniform and 100% reliable, if a little smoky. When we shoot pistols we'll usually go through 1-2k rounds in a day between us. Coach failed to notice 1 critically important thing while loading. Occasionally the powder charge bar on the Dillon 550 would fail to return to battery to pick up another charge. That could have been sorted out by weighing finished rounds except that we're using lubricated cast bullets and mixed brass.

A month or two goes by and we make it out to the range and do some combat oriented drills which means rapid fire and double taps are the norm. So we're shooting, we're shooting, we run out of ammo after draining a full .50cal ammo can of .45ACP and then we go home. After a day or so I pull out my Glock G21 from the safe to give it a thorough swabbing out and notice a black ring in my bore just in front of the chamber during a visual inspection.

I thought it might be a lead ring since I'm shooting cast lead in a Glock barrel or a carbon ring due to the extreme dirtiness of our loads but it didn't come out after a vigorous brush cleaning or even show signs of change. Then I punched a patch down the barrel and it went in snug in the chamber tight in the throat, hotdog in a hallway just after the throat about where that black ring was, and tight as a drum the rest of the way. Then I looked at my barrel's exterior more closely. It was belled about 1/2" in front of the chamber for about 1/4" of distance and just severely enough to be barely visible to the naked eye (about .030 diametric difference).

Ok, well, I figured it'd happen sooner or later shooting cast bullets from a factory glock barrel. So I bought a new aftermarket barrel with conventional rifling that would be ok with long term use of cast lead. I also shot another 500 rounds through the old damaged glock barrel while waiting for the new one to arrive. It worked just fine. I knew it would because there's no saying that the round that belled the barrel was the last one I shot.

What happened? Well, a week or 2 ago I got a call from Coach and he's going on and on about having found "the case". I'm like, "What case?" and he fills me in that he's 100% certain that THIS case is the one that was fired when my barrel was damaged. I was skeptical. How did you pick that one out of the 2000+ that we'd recently emptied?

Well, it was pretty easy and it actually tells us a neat story that goes like this:
1. Coach loads his 1911 with ammo.
2. Coach fires some shots and gets a fail to fire and ejects a loaded round onto the ground and walks back to the mag loading area.
3. I load my Glock with ammo, walk to the firing line and shoot most of my mag but the last round fails to fire so I eject it. I then notice what I think is my round on the ground with a bullet in the case and figure, "Oh, last one didn't go off, maybe a light primer strike or shallow seated primer. One more tap on the cap and it might just fire." and so I pick up the round and drop it into my Glock, slam the slide home & pull the trigger it goes bang.
4. I load another mag and keep shooting.

What happened was when Coach hit the primer on that round it was probably shallow seated and finished seating with coach's hammer fall but didn't go off and coach flopped it onto the ground and walked away. I went to the same spot Coach was at to shoot and when I got a click-no-bang and then saw a loaded round on the ground and assumed it was mine and stuffed it into my gun, I failed entirely to realize that there might be a bullet stuck some distance down my bore or to have noticed the empty case I ejected earlier being empty despite no bang happening. That should have made it clear to me but I was a fool.

When I picked up that fateful round and fired it the bullet left the case mouth's grip and entered the bore only to slam into the back end of the previous bullet. The air trapped between them became an incompressable fluid and when pressure was sufficient it belled my barrel before both bullets took the opportunity to leave the muzzle. My mag didn't blow out, I didn't notice any real recoil change, the gun kept working.

I've had a case blow in this gun before. That was from repeated loading with stout loads. This one was from multiple levels of bad idea compounding each other. I'm just surprised the barrel didn't go full banana and cause a catastrophic self-disassembly of the entire pistol.

The 2 primer hits on the brass and the bit that flowed into the striker channel being rectangular while there was also a round firing pin strike is a dead giveaway for a double primer strike. Note to self. If the ammo is on the ground, leave it on the ground.
Thanks for sharing.
CW
 
The gen5 uses a teardrop shape firing pin , so it's not that model of glock either.... Both are very easy to tell they have been fired through a Glock..... I would suspect bullet set back , on the 550 you can easily see the powder level when you place the bullet to be seated.... Unless you're not checking and trying to go to fast.....
 
When it happened to me in about 1989 it wasn't so uneventful.

I dropped the hammer on what I believe was about 10 or 11 grains of W231 behind a 230gr cast bullet. Blew out the bottom of the case, blew out the mag, split the slide on the 1911 along the line of the extractor ruined a pair of shooting glasses and put 22 cuts in my cheeks and nose from the brass that blew out between the slide and the frame. The steel insert Pachmeyers probably saved my hand, though it was sooted up. The last of the brass worked its way out of my right cheek about 6 yrs later.
 
When it happened to me in about 1989 it wasn't so uneventful.

I dropped the hammer on what I believe was about 10 or 11 grains of W231 behind a 230gr cast bullet. Blew out the bottom of the case, blew out the mag, split the slide on the 1911 along the line of the extractor ruined a pair of shooting glasses and put 22 cuts in my cheeks and nose from the brass that blew out between the slide and the frame. The steel insert Pachmeyers probably saved my hand, though it was sooted up. The last of the brass worked its way out of my right cheek about 6 yrs later.
your middle name is Lucky I take it ?
 
We all learn from our mistakes or we go out with a bang. Back in the late 1970's, I was shooting my .357 Dan Wesson and when the hammer fell on a round, it went, thud. I actually felt the bullet lodge in the barrel, using just a primer. Thank Dan Wesson, the .357 came with a wrench and feeler gauge to remove the barrel. Bought a kit that came with 3 different length barrels. unscrewed the barrel, took a 10" long 1/4" extension, clamped the barrel, hammered the bullet out of the barrel and everything was good. Except, I made myself take almost 200 bullets apart and check each for the powder load. After that fiasco, I used a flashlight and thoroughly inspected each and every round.
 

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