catshooter rang a bell...it was the sine wave observation. i went to his members postings and noted he had 882! i understand there was some differences of opinions, etc. i began reviewing his posts was and struck by his knowledge,some said lack of, re handloading, shooting, gun etc, etc. i learned some things that are not common knowlesdge. it will take some time to review all 882 posts, but i will. [/quote] if i can see you, icx can touch you.BANG!