Flying With A Firearm, Has It Changed?

[DGP4]

Rather than engage in arguments, just read the TSA rules. They are short and sweet but remember that the airline can add any additional rules they want!

Transporting Firearms and Ammunition | Transportation Security Administration

Learn how to properly prepare, pack and declare firearms and ammunition in checked baggage when flying. Review TSA rules, airline policies, and legal requirements.

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[TZaun]

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As one poster noted, internet misinformation is indeed a problem. Here’s a couple links from just 2 of the airlines operating here in the US. I’m not going to waste any more time than I have already pasting links to them all. One clearly states they require locks in every possible spot for doing so. The other, leads us back to the interpretation thing. That one says the case must secure the weapon from being accessed. If not every spot is locked, is it secured?? I’m a firm believer that we all create our own luck………..

 

[hogpatrol]

From TSA website, contradictory info. "Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks.

This Is Why Your TSA-Approved Luggage Locks Are Useless

Last year, the Washington Post's Ashley Halsey wrote an article on what really happens to your luggage at airports. In it, they unwittingly published a photo of the master keys the TSA uses for TSA-approved baggage locks. Now, thanks to that picture and a French lock-picking enthusiast, anyone...

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[joshb]

I think the general rule is: Be prepared for anything! Especially the Napoleon complex idiots!

 

[ljmontano]

I teach the class for the government NEVER give your key to a TSA OFFICER if they want to inspect your firearm you unlock the case and after they inspect it you lock it backup. I would put a lock on each location for a lock nothing less.

 

[LuvDog]

No you don’t

I fly delta and they make you

• The case must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. All areas designed to be locked must be locked

 

[waterfwlr]

I fly delta and they make you

• The case must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. All areas designed to be locked must be locked

I fly, Delta, United, and Southwest in about a dozen states over the past 20 years or so of traveling with firearms. Pelican case with two big locks on it out of 4 spots. Never a issue. Even with 2 locks it is completely secure and can’t be budged. But, am going to put two more locks in my carry on just in case

 

[BSA MK III]

I recently flew Tampa to Las Vegas Plano case. At the check in I told them I had a rifle, they asked is it unloaded yes now fill this in and someone will take you to TSA. At the TSA there was a 1/2 door and the case was handed through to a agent that was it.

Arriving in Vegas the case was not on the conveyor, I had to go to a supervisors office to get it.

On the return journey just about the same thing except the case came through on the baggage conveyor !
I had 50 rounds in the rifle case with no problems at all.

A funny thing happened checking in at the Venetian Hotel. 11pm and after w3e had checked in I told them I had a rifle, they told me to walk down this long corridor when I get to the ( casino and food court) turn right and walk to the end where I will see a security guard at his station. This I did, when I got to walking through the casino the hairs on the back of my neck stood up I thought I am going to get shot by security. When I found the security guard. He called for another guard who took me to the armory. In the armory I had to Waite until a supervisor came (plain cloths). He asked me to take it out of the case to inspect.
He informed me when I wanted to get it out just ask at the same guard station and that's it except when I took it out and returned it there after we had to go through the parking area to my car, no more 007 in the casino.

 

[hogpatrol]

The protocol is different at different airports and can be different at the same airport at different times.
It changes to keep someone from gaming the system.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Just from reading here, I know one thing, DON'T ask friendlies for rule interpretation. Read and carry the rules for yourself. Both TSA and the AIRLINES.

 

[waterfwlr]

I recently flew Tampa to Las Vegas Plano case. At the check in I told them I had a rifle, they asked is it unloaded yes now fill this in and someone will take you to TSA. At the TSA there was a 1/2 door and the case was handed through to a agent that was it.

Arriving in Vegas the case was not on the conveyor, I had to go to a supervisors office to get it.

On the return journey just about the same thing except the case came through on the baggage conveyor !
I had 50 rounds in the rifle case with no problems at all.

A funny thing happened checking in at the Venetian Hotel. 11pm and after w3e had checked in I told them I had a rifle, they told me to walk down this long corridor when I get to the ( casino and food court) turn right and walk to the end where I will see a security guard at his station. This I did, when I got to walking through the casino the hairs on the back of my neck stood up I thought I am going to get shot by security. When I found the security guard. He called for another guard who took me to the armory. In the armory I had to Waite until a supervisor came (plain cloths). He asked me to take it out of the case to inspect.
He informed me when I wanted to get it out just ask at the same guard station and that's it except when I took it out and returned it there after we had to go through the parking area to my car, no more 007 in the casino.

That’s another thing. Most times it goes in a office or through the double doors and have to show identification. But every once in a while it comes right out on the belt.

 

[dc.fireman]

F Class John nailed it. Not all TSA people interpret the rules the same. My daughter has flown all over the US and has been on 9 International trips with rifles. Yes, you are supposed to have a lock in every hole given for the case you are using. Doesn't mean you can't slip through without. My daughter has been with shooters that didn't and they had to find locks for the open holes to get through. Early on we were told by an experienced shooter that had traveled a lot to just use TSA locks. Over time my daughter has been with other shooters that were asked to open their cases because they were not TSA locks and in one case a shooter was pulled off a plane to do it and ended up missing the flight entirely. We have also seen where the case showed up wrapped with heavy zip ties twice. I asked a TSA agent why that happens sometimes. He explained that the cable locks we were using allowed the case to open enough to get fingers in. If that happens, they are supposed to secure it so that can't happen. Now she just uses locks just long enough to catch. We were told to never travel with ammo in the same case as the rifle. Not sure if that's a rule, or just a common sense approach to avoiding trouble? I do know that some countries require you to have the ammo in a case with locks in every hole, separate from the rifle case, and some countries require you to check that ammo case separately from the rest of your gear all together.

In 2017, I was participating in a 'grudge match' with my teammates vs. the Taipei Nat'l Police Agency for the World Police & Fire Games in L.A. I flew from IAD to LAX with one rifle,my FWB 2700 Alu, and mailed the 300M rifle to myself c/o of a supervisor for a local Police Dept.

When I got to LAX - no rifle. It wasn't on the plane. FAA regulations, since shortly after the Pan Am bombing have stated 'all passengers MUST travel with their bags on the SAME airplane'.

I arrived at 0945. My rifle arrived at 1600. No locks - they had been cut off by a TSA agent @IAD, and replaced with heavy zip ties. IAD will no longer even accept a firearm case if it isn't locked with TSA locks.

The shocker to me was how easy the return home trip was - LAX barely batted an eye at the return trip, and the rifle made it home just fine.

I paid $74 to mail the rifle to the PD, and it arrived before I did.
I paid $75 to fly with the rifle, and it arrived after I did.

-tc

 

[hogpatrol]

In 2017, I was participating in a 'grudge match' with my teammates vs. the Taipei Nat'l Police Agency for the World Police & Fire Games in L.A. I flew from IAD to LAX with one rifle,my FWB 2700 Alu, and mailed the 300M rifle to myself c/o of a supervisor for a local Police Dept.

When I got to LAX - no rifle. It wasn't on the plane. FAA regulations, since shortly after the Pan Am bombing have stated 'all passengers MUST travel with their bags on the SAME airplane'.

I arrived at 0945. My rifle arrived at 1600. No locks - they had been cut off by a TSA agent @IAD, and replaced with heavy zip ties. IAD will no longer even accept a firearm case if it isn't locked with TSA locks.

The shocker to me was how easy the return home trip was - LAX barely batted an eye at the return trip, and the rifle made it home just fine.

I paid $74 to mail the rifle to the PD, and it arrived before I did.
I paid $75 to fly with the rifle, and it arrived after I did.

-tc

Flew out of Dulles in 2013 and 2018 , no TSA locks, two rifles in an SKB case. You were flim flammed by a couple agents who had their own ideas. Should have taken it higher. BTDT.
Edit: It seems to be the norm at some airports. They DON'T know the rules and try and make up their own. Sorry, it NEVER works for me. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Always have the phone number for the top TSA guy at that airport and in Washington D.C. in your phone. (855) 787-2227

TSA Washington, D.C. (866) 289-9673

 

[TZaun]

In 2017, I was participating in a 'grudge match' with my teammates vs. the Taipei Nat'l Police Agency for the World Police & Fire Games in L.A. I flew from IAD to LAX with one rifle,my FWB 2700 Alu, and mailed the 300M rifle to myself c/o of a supervisor for a local Police Dept.

When I got to LAX - no rifle. It wasn't on the plane. FAA regulations, since shortly after the Pan Am bombing have stated 'all passengers MUST travel with their bags on the SAME airplane'.

I arrived at 0945. My rifle arrived at 1600. No locks - they had been cut off by a TSA agent @IAD, and replaced with heavy zip ties. IAD will no longer even accept a firearm case if it isn't locked with TSA locks.

The shocker to me was how easy the return home trip was - LAX barely batted an eye at the return trip, and the rifle made it home just fine.

I paid $74 to mail the rifle to the PD, and it arrived before I did.
I paid $75 to fly with the rifle, and it arrived after I did.

-tc

It’s surprising more rifle cases don’t make their destination on time since there is some degree of separation from the rest of the pack. In the events we go to it’s very rare to hear about a rifle case not making it on time and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of one that got lost for good? My daughter has traveled a lot in the last 4 years and luckily it’s only happened once and the timing of it couldn’t have been better. It was on a return trip from Ft. Benning after Nationals and we landed in Fargo and her rifles went to L.A. for some reason. The people at the airport were great about it and in a short while told me to come back at noon the next day to collect them. They were there like promised.

On to more important things. How did you guys do against Taipei?

 

[rardoin]

Yes, flying with firearms has changed dramatically over the years:

 

[dc.fireman]

It’s surprising more rifle cases don’t make their destination on time since there is some degree of separation from the rest of the pack. In the events we go to it’s very rare to hear about a rifle case not making it on time and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of one that got lost for good? My daughter has traveled a lot in the last 4 years and luckily it’s only happened once and the timing of it couldn’t have been better. It was on a return trip from Ft. Benning after Nationals and we landed in Fargo and her rifles went to L.A. for some reason. The people at the airport were great about it and in a short while told me to come back at noon the next day to collect them. They were there like promised.

On to more important things. How did you guys do against Taipei?

They were DQ'd for 'coaching'; I took an individual Silver losing out to the Mongolian Nat'l Police 588 to his 592 in the English Prone match.