Fire Forming Cases with COW

[Ackman]

I mostly agree with with others, load and shoot, I don't agree to load it too hot, you can stretch your brass,

Don't know what you mean by "too hot".......fireform loads that are past max for the parent cartridge, aren't too hot. And with a properly cut chamber brass will NOT stretch when fireforming.

Really??.....Well I fireform 6brx brass from 6br brass, so you think it will be okay to stuff 33.5 of Varget into a 6br case some how and fireform with no case damage Huh?...I'll get right on that!! I however suggest the rest of you forum members do NOT!! take that approach ??? :
Wayne.

Bully for you.....I don't shoot a 6BRX or use Varget, and 33.5gr of that stuff in that case doesn't mean squat to me. But you get right on whatever you want and knock yourself out with suggestions.

 

[Ackman]

I mostly agree with with others, load and shoot, I don't agree to load it too hot, you can stretch your brass,

Don't know what you mean by "too hot".......fireform loads that are past max for the parent cartridge, aren't too hot. And with a properly cut chamber brass will NOT stretch when fireforming.

Really??.....Well I fireform 6brx brass from 6br brass, so you think it will be okay to stuff 33.5 of Varget into a 6br case some how and fireform with no case damage Huh?...I'll get right on that!! I however suggest the rest of you forum members do NOT!! take that approach ??? :
Wayne.

Bully for you.....I don't shoot a 6BRX or use Varget, and 33.5gr of that stuff in that case doesn't mean squat to me. But you get right on whatever you want and knock yourself out with suggestions.

No by all means please continue, I don't know anything about fireforming I don't own a half dozen AI's or any other wildcats for that matter, you have my undivided complete attention!!! explain on!
Wayne.

Well bozo....I know you're an expert an' all. So again, what do you consider a "too hot" AI fireform load? I'm not gonna play the numbers bragging game, but if I did you'd lose big time. And what is it you want explained that hasn't already been?

 

[bozo699]

Achman,
I have read your past posts and see you like to argue, I apologize to the good folks on here for wasting bandwidth, Achman I don't care what you do and will not reply further to you comments, have a nice day today and a better day tomorrow. For all interested in f.f the AI chamberings,...P.O Ackley still has a book on his wildcats in circulation it is a very good read and explains in detail how to f.f the cases.
Wayne.

 

[onelastshot]

To be honest, I've got no interest in spending time working up a load for fire forming and then working up another load once the brass is formed. Especially when the fire form load simply isn't all that accurate. Don't understand the theory of using a maximum amount of powder, in short it makes a lot more sense using enough of a powder load to get the brass to form properly, no more.

Wayne, no need to apologize, I appreciate any and all input and like you I don't see the need to "press the envelope" when using gunpowder. The action is a German Mauser 98, the old action is wonderfully designed but taking into consideration when it was made, I'm not going to push for maximum loads.

 

[Ackman]

Bozo, I've read your past posts too - at 5 per day over a couple years they're all over the place. And I see that you like to make strong statements with great conviction, some of them are wrong and stupid. I'll comment on a wrong or stupid post. If you think that's "argumentative," if don't like it, tough. Look at your own posts on this and see who's been argumentative. My first post on this explained things and I'll back up anything I say. You with the big talk, won't.

 

[Ackman]

1) I've got no interest in spending time working up a load for fire forming and then working up another load once the brass is formed.

2) Especially when the fire form load simply isn't all that accurate.

3) Don't understand the theory of using a maximum amount of powder, in short it makes a lot more sense using enough of a powder load to get the brass to form properly, no more.

Your gun, your time, do it however you want. But you have big misconceptions about this. Try to understand and it'll make "fireforming" into something that's not an ordeal.

1) Some think "fireforming" is an extra step and it's not. It's just shooting. You work up a load the same way you would with any cartridge. When you find best/most accurate load it'll be using more powder than the parent cartridge and be faster.......nearly as fast as with formed brass and just as accurate. Plus you get a formed case out of the deal. The time has been spent, the load has been found.....with formed brass it'll be the same only a little more. That's it.

2) Whoever told you that stuff, don't listen. Wherever you got that idea it's completely totally wrong. Some people have said they actually got better accuracy fireforming than with formed cases. After forming probably 10K cases, I've never experienced that.

3) So, what's a "maximum amount of powder?" That's pretty nebulous. Sounds like boogie-man talk, which is common on shooting boards. An AI chamber is larger - or considerably larger - than the parent cartridge. Depends on case taper and shoulder angle to begin with. The max load for a standard cartridge will be way mild for the AI version. A 6mm case has lots of taper with real shallow shoulder angle and it blows out quite a bit. So a max. 6mm load is mild when shot in a 6mmAI chamber. That's why you start at max for the standard and go up from there when finding a "fireform" load.



These "fireforming" loads are everyday shooting, hunting ,working loads. This isn't complicated but some people just won't understand.

 

[Torg]

The following comes from:http://www.richardscustomrifles.com...l drop them in their tracks. Richard Franklin

 

[Ackman]

The following comes from:http://www.richardscustomrifles.com...t. But it ain't being shot in a 6mm chamber.