DJ's brass service is putting up for sale some shaped blanks for sale , but un-inleted . I would like it done for either single shot Rem.'s or Mod. 12 Sav.'s . Would include the bolt handle cut out as well as trigger/guard cutout . No bedding or finishing is wanted just the inletting. Can anyone contact me for services or recommend someone ????
Finding someone who is able to do action inletting into a blank
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hoz53
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It's tough because of the itar law- hopefully the repubs will change that soon
NorCalMikie
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You're just carving a piece of wood so I don't think the ITAR law would apply??
And you don't have to have a FFL or be a gunsmith to carve a piece of wood.
And you don't have to have a FFL or be a gunsmith to carve a piece of wood.
hoz53
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I don't know but some stock makers say it does and won't sell to anybody right now or do work for anyone else
But you need a FFL to have the barreled action shipped to you. And you need all of the metal to fit wood to steel. ITAR applies. You are making a functional gun part. "Gunsmiths" are supposed to have a FFL, been that way since passage of the GCA of '68.
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NorCalMikie
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I believe there are stock makers that DO NOT have an FFL or are not gunsmiths.
Lots of stocks available that come with a 99% inlet. They don't use/need actions for specs. It's all in the measurements. YOU will probably use YOUR barreled action for that final fit when it shows up.
You pre order a stock with an inlet that you want with a 3" wide forearm and 1 1/8" barrel channel. They didn't need your barreled action to cut that stock.
Now if someone won't cut an inlet for you because they think the law will be a problem(?), that's a different story. Kinda like you NOT selling guns to shooters in California. It can be and is a PITA BUT, it can be done. Depends on who you deal with.
No worse than a gunsmith not wanting to work on a customers rig because the customer is an a$$. You pick and choose who you want to deal with.
Lots of stocks available that come with a 99% inlet. They don't use/need actions for specs. It's all in the measurements. YOU will probably use YOUR barreled action for that final fit when it shows up.
You pre order a stock with an inlet that you want with a 3" wide forearm and 1 1/8" barrel channel. They didn't need your barreled action to cut that stock.
Now if someone won't cut an inlet for you because they think the law will be a problem(?), that's a different story. Kinda like you NOT selling guns to shooters in California. It can be and is a PITA BUT, it can be done. Depends on who you deal with.
No worse than a gunsmith not wanting to work on a customers rig because the customer is an a$$. You pick and choose who you want to deal with.
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joshb
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Which then begs the question, what does DDTC require the registration under ITAR for?
DDTC states that if you are engaged in any of the following you are required to register for under ITAR.
a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;
b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);
d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;
e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;
f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.
DDTC states that if you are engaged in any of the following you are required to register for under ITAR.
a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;
b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);
d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;
e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;
f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.
NorCalMikie
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(Which then begs the question, what does DDTC require the registration under ITAR for?)
How about $$$ and government control??
You would NOT be building a firearm!! You are carving a piece of wood that a barreled action "can/may" be fitted to. If you are an FFL holder OR a registered gunsmith, you better lock your doors and go fishing, for good!!
In my humble opinion, if you're worried about that law, you better not pick up your own firearms. You might be doing something wrong??
In my case, I'll buy my 99% inletted stock and go on about my own business!!
How about $$$ and government control??
You would NOT be building a firearm!! You are carving a piece of wood that a barreled action "can/may" be fitted to. If you are an FFL holder OR a registered gunsmith, you better lock your doors and go fishing, for good!!
In my humble opinion, if you're worried about that law, you better not pick up your own firearms. You might be doing something wrong??
In my case, I'll buy my 99% inletted stock and go on about my own business!!
hoz53
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There is no law that says you cant buy a semi inletted stock. The itar law is about collecting a tax if you build what it covers and sell it. The tax is around 2000 a year.(Which then begs the question, what does DDTC require the registration under ITAR for?)
How about $$$ and government control??
You would NOT be building a firearm!! You are carving a piece of wood that a barreled action "can/may" be fitted to. If you are an FFL holder OR a registered gunsmith, you better lock your doors and go fishing, for good!!
In my humble opinion, if you're worried about that law, you better not pick up your own firearms. You might be doing something wrong??
In my case, I'll buy my 99% inletted stock and go on about my own business!!
Obviously to large companies like Boyds the 2000 isnt anything and they pay it and go on smiling selling their stocks knowing they will have less competition from small makers who wont or cant afford to pay the tax. You obviously dont give a shit about small gunsmiths, stock makers ect who have went out of business because they cant afford to pay the itar fine. You just buy your 99% inletted stocks from the companies that are left who have paid the itar fee and you get to pay more for your stock as a result. Dont worry about it -- You get made an example by the government one time for failing to pay something like this and youll change your tune in a hurry. Make sure you stay out there in CA where soon you wont have any gun rights at all but youll still be able to buy your semi inletted stock for your cap gun for a few more years. LOL
You should have hi-lighted (C), Josh; (c) The production of firearm parts (including but not limited to barrels, stocks, ,,,,,,,,,,,,). Barrel makers have to register under ITAR,,,,,, Krieger, Hart, ect. And their barrels require fitting. Trigger makers,, Timney, Jewell, ect. Stocks are a firearm part, too. They just happen to be made of wood or synthetic material instead of metal.
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NorCalMikie
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As a matter of fact, I DO (as you put it) give a shit about the FFLs and Gunsmiths who have been bent over with the laws. When you figure out exactly what to do about it, PLEASE let the rest of us know.
hoz53
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you are right and I apologize for that. ill try to do better but my first post was trying to help you so I will quit trying to do that on here so much to.
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hoz53
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you must have to pay itar fee dont you Alex? I know that isnt a manufauturing FFL.
Alex Wheeler
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Inletting is not manufacturing.
hoz53
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I know and I wasn't trying to attack you more like the opposite be supportive.
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