Sometimes you just have to look a little deeper I guess . Finally got some loads working , some .4" , .5" , and .7" groups . Went back through what a lot of you folks suggested and then resorted back to the hornady reloading book and found one sign of over pressure I was overlooking was cratering of the primers . Backed off 2 - 2.5 gr. and it shoots a world difference . I wasn't taking into consideration the bullet being close to the lands making a big differnence in pressure . Thank you all for your responses , now all I have to do is play . Kenneth