FFP vs. SFP ??

[K0na_stinky]

Maybe it is just me then

No, not just you. The Vortex brand seems to have kind of an internet cult following that I just do not get. When they first came into the market I believe they were made by LOW (Light Optical Works) in Japan. This is the same company that made Bausch & Lomb Elite, and now Bushnell Elite when Bushnell bought them out. They also make Clearidge, Weaver, and it is believed the components for Nightforce and possibly Leupold. So they originally were a top quality scope. But, in more recent times Vortex has switched most of the scopes to an unknown supplier in the Philippines.

Not my cup of tea either, as I prefer scopes made in Japan.

You guys are against Vortex, ok.

I also asked for your opinions on other scopes I should look at.

 

[FroggyOne2]

Maybe it is just me then

No, not just you. The Vortex brand seems to have kind of an internet cult following that I just do not get. When they first came into the market I believe they were made by LOW (Light Optical Works) in Japan. This is the same company that made Bausch & Lomb Elite, and now Bushnell Elite when Bushnell bought them out. They also make Clearidge, Weaver, and it is believed the components for Nightforce and possibly Leupold. So they originally were a top quality scope. But, in more recent times Vortex has switched most of the scopes to an unknown supplier in the Philippines.

Not my cup of tea either, as I prefer scopes made in Japan.

Ron for your information, Vortex Vipers are made in the Phillipines, but the glass for that line is made in Japan and the Razor line of scopes are made in Japan.

 

[RonAKA]

Ron for your information, Vortex Vipers are made in the Phillipines, but the glass for that line is made in Japan and the Razor line of scopes are made in Japan.

What is your source of information?

On better scopes I would suggest the Sightron line, as well as the Bushnell Elite, and Weaver. All made in Japan. If it is target only, then the Sightron Big Sky 36X target scope is a nice one, or the very similar T36 Weaver. For a little reduction in optical quality (not fully muti coated) and price there is the Sightron II 36X. Sightron has a $75 rebate on until March 31, which I believe Hirsch Precision in Canada will assist you in getting.

Leupold and Nightforce also make some nice scopes, but more $$'s.

 

[K0na_stinky]

I live in Canada... no moneys back for mee.

 

[RonAKA]

I live in Canada... no moneys back for mee.

Peter Dobson at Hirsh Precision in Nova Scotia has posted on the Canadian forum that he will get the rebate for you. Call him and ask (902) 829-2932.

Hirsch Precison

Here is an article on scopes you may find interesting. It appears a bit dated though. Sightron now have two 36X scopes.

Target Scopes

 

[ballistic64]

I tried my first FFP scope a couple years ago after using leupolds on everything for years.The scope was an ST10 with the moa scale type one reticle.I was hooked on FFP after that,not to mention the glass quality of the scope.Not much choice but to stick with SFP for BR matches.As far as scopes go,the old saying "you get what you pay for" has never been more true.The true potential of a rifle,any rifle,will never be fully realized without quality glass.

 

[jo191145]

You guys are against Vortex, ok.

I also asked for your opinions on other scopes I should look at.
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Personally i'm not against Vortex. Know nothing about them and hope to keep it that way ;D Already did all my scope buying years back. As I recall it was one of the most frustrating aspect of getting into the sport. Trying to get the best quality for the best price.

First optic company I've seen that have a riflescope line that starts at $100 and progresses to $2000? (I'd buy a March) I find that odd and scary but thats just me.
The moniker Tactical gets thrown around a lot in the garbage scope arena also.
Once again, no idea about Vortex and in reality Tactical has become common lingo these days.
If you think that scope is worth the price go for it. My post was bit of a knee jerk reaction. Back when I studied all the scopes on the market anything with Tactical in the name was junk.

 

[K0na_stinky]

I try to do the best research I can. Its kind of hard. I fully understand I'm not going to get something amazing. But I should get a scope that will function properly.

When I read about them I find 2 differnt views on them. You get people that have them and like them for the price and you get people that don't like them because they haven't used one.

I think I'm going to go ahead and buy one. Worst comes to worst I can go to Vortex and throw it at them.

EDIT.

Its only going on my junky Savage anyways.

 

[Ing. Michael W. Mayerl]

Hey all I'm looking to buy a new scope but I don't know if I should get a First Focal Plane or a Second Focal Plane.

I don’t have the option to look threw a FFP. Where I’m from high end shooting stuff is unheard of.

I understand what a FFP does but I don’t know what it looks like to look threw one. When your at the lowest power what does it look like? How about at the highest power? Do the lines get really thick?

I’m looking at buying a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50. It comes in both FFP and SFP


Here is a link to the site. http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-6-24x50-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle
And a link to the retical. http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/sub_viper-pst_624f1-moa_details.jpg

I think it says the line is 0.18 MOA thick. Is that thick?

Thanks for any imput you guys have.

Hallo

First focal plane has following advantages:

- no change of point of impact when changing the magnification
- the reticle distance is always the same and can be used as a ballistic recticle too

Disadvantage:

- the reticle is thicker than SFP but that can be compansated with modern reticle designs like the IOR MP8-dot


Tip: IOR has a wide range of high end FFP scopes.
Distributor in the US: http://www.valdada.com/catalog/db21c65d-2429-4509-b1d5-f4dbea62f0b9.aspx

And this is my favorite scope: http://www.valdada.com/product/2db3f757-a005-4e3d-a442-ea0370a2a1a8.aspx

 

[K0na_stinky]

Ing. Michael W. Mayerl they look like great scopes. But they about $1000 over what I wanted to spend.

 

[jo191145]

I try to do the best research I can. Its kind of hard. I fully understand I'm not going to get something amazing. But I should get a scope that will function properly.

When I read about them I find 2 differnt views on them. You get people that have them and like them for the price and you get people that don't like them because they haven't used one.

I think I'm going to go ahead and buy one. Worst comes to worst I can go to Vortex and throw it at them.

EDIT.

Its only going on my junky Savage anyways.

Hey Hey Hey now ;D Couple years ago my best NF12X42 still sat atop a 204R Savage VLP factory barrel and all. Actually that NF was bought for that gun. Sat on there 3 yrs and 3 factory barrels before one of my customs finally won the right to wear it.
Factory 204 tube #4 can't shoot for diddly. It happens

 

[Dgd6mm]

Those IOR's are nice, but I've seen then go south. Haven't seen enough Vortex PST's or Razor's yet, but what I have seen has been good. I've got an issue with 1 of my Leupold's right now. I'm sure they will take care of it. The only scope's I've had that have functioned without any issue's have been my N.F.'s. I'm going to get a Vortex soon to play with. Lifetime Warranty and good Customer Service. Oh ya, and stick it on my Savage.

 

[K0na_stinky]

Those IOR's are nice, but I've seen then go south. Haven't seen enough Vortex PST's or Razor's yet, but what I have seen has been good. I've got an issue with 1 of my Leupold's right now. I'm sure they will take care of it. The only scope's I've had that have functioned without any issue's have been my N.F.'s. I'm going to get a Vortex soon to play with. Lifetime Warranty and good Customer Service. Oh ya, and stick it on my Savage.

My PST is on order now. Went with SFP.

I would have loved to get a night force but I cant afford it.

My vortex is also going on a Savage.

 

[brian427cobra]

I live in Canada... no moneys back for mee.

Well here is something to consider, remember when I said Mils are not metric, Guess What, since 1 Mil is 1/1000 of any unit of measure on the planet, and .1 MRAD is 1/10,000 of any unit of measurement, that means at 100 meters .1 MRAD is 1cm, and at 1000 meters 1 Mil is 1 meter.

 

[Ing. Michael W. Mayerl]

Ing. Michael W. Mayerl they look like great scopes. But they about $1000 over what I wanted to spend.

Then look for another brand that offers FFP. Leupold starts to make FFP with mil turrets but they are also priced high.
You can test Bushnell 6-24x50 mm Elite 4200 but i don`t know its quality.
Nikon are also ok in the low price level but only offered SFP.

 

[K0na_stinky]

Ing. Michael W. Mayerl they look like great scopes. But they about $1000 over what I wanted to spend.

Then look for another brand that offers FFP. Leupold starts to make FFP with mil turrets but they are also priced high.
You can test Bushnell 6-24x50 mm Elite 4200 but i don`t know its quality.
Nikon are also ok in the low price level but only offered SFP.

I don't really want FFP or mil turrets. I looked at the Bushnell but it has very limited elevation and windage travel.

I ordered my Vortex. They are sold out at the moment but I should see one in a month.

 

[Siiri]

Ing. Michael W. Mayerl they look like great scopes. But they about $1000 over what I wanted to spend.

Then look for another brand that offers FFP. Leupold starts to make FFP with mil turrets but they are also priced high.
You can test Bushnell 6-24x50 mm Elite 4200 but i don`t know its quality.
Nikon are also ok in the low price level but only offered SFP.

My experience with Nikon was not a good one. Only had one and it was a cheap one but the reticule would move constantly and was not accurate at all. It was the Prostaff 3-9x40, only $230.

Siiri

 

[Dgd6mm]

Which Vortex did you decide on? If this scope is going to be used for target shooting I'm sure there are better options. I started with a T24 Weaver then went to my N.F. BR 12-42. I like more magnification for longrange target, but that's me. SFP is fine for target. I don't mean to confuse you or throw doubt into your head, but I'd look at some others before I decided on one.

 

[K0na_stinky]

Which Vortex did you decide on? If this scope is going to be used for target shooting I'm sure there are better options. I started with a T24 Weaver then went to my N.F. BR 12-42. I like more magnification for longrange target, but that's me. SFP is fine for target. I don't mean to confuse you or throw doubt into your head, but I'd look at some others before I decided on one.

I ordered a Viper PST 6-24x50 SFP with the MOA reticle. Its not going to be a 100% target gun. I will use it for long range steel gong plinking. Maybe even shoot a deer with it. Who knows. I didn't want to get a fixxed power scope. It would be nice to get a nightforce but I would really like to buy a truck. I'm only 20 and I'm layed off right now. Money isnt really tight... well it is now because this is my second savage model 12 in 2 months.